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> DTM for a 914, Speak up if you want it developed!!
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post Oct 19 2004, 12:37 AM
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same price?

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post Oct 19 2004, 12:41 AM
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Nope, more $$$... Probably another 100 bucks due to needing a custom mold made for the cooler housing..
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post Oct 19 2004, 12:46 AM
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I want the first one with the new cooler location

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post Oct 19 2004, 12:53 AM
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I still need MORE interest...

Probably a 100 buck deposit from everyone that wants one..
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post Oct 19 2004, 12:53 AM
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I like the idea of better cooling. I hate the idea of non-stock look. So unless a DTM is the only way I'm going to keep my engine cool, I'll stick with stock.
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post Oct 19 2004, 12:55 AM
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You'd take show over go Mark?
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post Oct 19 2004, 01:02 AM
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Let me repeat...

Unless a DTM is the only way I'm going to keep my engine cool, I'll stick with stock.

...in other words...

I don't want it unless i need it.
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post Oct 19 2004, 01:10 AM
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Some people don't need it...

Put a gauge on all 4 of your cylinders and I'll betcha that most people would then buy it...

Uneven running temps account for most of the engine failures that we see.

I have DTM equipped 180-200HP engines running head temps 50 degrees cooler than a stock 2.0 for hours at a time.
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post Oct 19 2004, 01:26 AM
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give us a paypal address
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post Oct 19 2004, 07:20 AM
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I'll consider it Jake. It'll have to be after taxes for me though. From now until April I'm squirrellin away acorns.

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post Oct 19 2004, 07:37 AM
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Jake, I would be interested, since I live in a pretty warm area, and I assume that this would eliminate the need for a front mounted oil cooler. If you get enough interest, I would have no problem putting something down to help fund the initial start up of your production.

Just to be clear, this will work with any type 4 in the 914, so if I upgrade my engine some day for more HP or whatever, it just swaps over. RIGHT?

Do you remove the old fan from the front of the engine? and then mount another (or same) above it? This will work with dual carbs I assume since you configure your engines this way.
How about elevation. I live in high area with low humididty, the air is thin and dry, and doesn't have much capacity fo rremoving heat.. I guess if your system is better than the stock that isn't an issue.

I hope you get enough response for this project, cause it seems like a definite need in our little community!

One last comment! It is so great to see all the people out there dedicated to enhancing and improving the technology in our old (low?) tech cars! You all know who you are. CHEERS (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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post Oct 19 2004, 07:53 AM
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I'd be interested, but I'm in the same boat as Dave Hunt, tax time at the earliest for me.
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post Oct 19 2004, 08:24 AM
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From what I have noted here there are a few guys that are interested in the system. BUT with the amount of private messages and emails I got about the system needing to look different I can see that it is not worth going forward with.

I will spend the time on another project.

Thanks to the guys that are/were interested I am sorry that there just isn't enough of you that appreciate the system enough to buy one.
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post Oct 19 2004, 08:52 AM
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From looking at the DTM with the serpentine belt you would remove the stock fan. From the Type 1 system, they are working on hooking an A/C compressor to this belt system too, cool (pun intended). The internal oil cooler is a GREAT idea. Better cooling than the stock oil cooler w/o having to cut up the front of the car and run lines, VERY NICE. From looking at the shoptalk forum and Jake's site, he's not blowing smoke up your @$$, if it doesn't work he'll work till it works or scrap the idea.

I AM interested, I just would also like to know if this 914 system is a universal Type IV system...meaning I have a 2.0 with Dual webbers now, if I were to upgrade upto a 2.6 would the same system i bought for the 2.0 still bolt on? If so, I think many people would be a go for the system.

We all know that certain cylinders run hotter and cause problems, if this can remedy that, and cool the oil better, and have the option of A/C, and fit on small and large displacement motors a-like...then I guarentee I'll buy one!

I hope others feel the same, thanks.
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post Oct 19 2004, 09:00 AM
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The system would have been a direct replacement for ANY type IV engine in a 914.

I have 200HP engines that run 50 degrees cooler than a stock 2.0 with all cylinders within 5% of each other with this system! This is on a drive from Baton Rouge to Orlando Florida at 85+ MPH..

One of my F production 914 guys runs the system and dropped 75 degrees off his head temps all the time and instead of doing valve adjustments after every race, now he does them every 4-5 races and finds them to be much more stable due to less expansion and contraction issues.

It amazes me how many people will let the looks of something over rule its fit, function and practicality. If someone saw one of my carbon fiber units in person they would never complin about looks ever again..
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post Oct 19 2004, 09:26 AM
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It amazes me as well, having seen the DTM on your site I think it looks cool actually...and with those temp readings it's hard to argue. Spending an extra $1k on a motor for it not to blow up is not that big a deal.

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post Oct 19 2004, 10:01 AM
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Can I use the standard T4 shroud in my race car? If so I would just assume save you the developement work for specific 914 version.
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post Oct 19 2004, 10:12 AM
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Brett, you should be able to with no issues. Mark's shroud fits in his car well. send me an email and I will send you some pics
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post Oct 19 2004, 01:45 PM
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...I just got a little confused. Is the new 914 DTM for cars with stock FI also, or is it for a dual carb setup. If the regular DTM will fit on a 914 motor running dual carbs, then we could just use it (since I have dual carbs). Having said that, you said you'll be testing it on your 2.3, so I assume it'll be for dual carbs and fit under the rain tray, correct.
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post Oct 19 2004, 01:52 PM
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It will come with a modified rain tray...

It will be FI compatible as soon as our DTM FI plenum is finished..

It could still be used with IR throttle bodies and FI easier.
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