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| mrholland2 |
 Jul 28 2012, 04:24 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 7-September 11 From: Santa Maria,CA Member No.: 13,531 Region Association: Central California  |
Here's my question now: Of the total "oil product", what percentage should be Zinc alkyl dithiophosphate? The Brad Penn oils have a max of 0.1 to 1.1 % according to the MSDS. Castrol GTX has 5-10% according to the MSDS.
I bought a supplement, but haven't put it in yet because I need to drain some oil out first and don't have the facility at home. Also, the supplement is .5% by content. This all has made me very curious and a teeny bit confused (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| brant |
Jul 29 2012, 07:45 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,632 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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drive down to checker and check the API starburst on the back... the circle around the certification
then you will know as far as advertising goes its all words until you read the certification... |
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| SLITS |
Jul 29 2012, 08:26 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
0.1% = 1000 ppm
0.11% = 1100 ppm 0.15% = 1500 ppm Kendall GT 1 with Liquid Titanium has a ZDDP content of 0.119% = 1200 ppm Turns out the higher ZDDP is specifically in the 20-50, where it is .119 % by weight, as compared to .085 in the 10-40. Edit: 1200 ppm is supposed to be the minimum for flat tappet engines ...... Specification PDF |
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| mrholland2 |
Jul 29 2012, 08:44 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 7-September 11 From: Santa Maria,CA Member No.: 13,531 Region Association: Central California |
But Brant,
The MSDS isn't an advertisement, it is the legal EPA documentation. QUOTE(brant @ Jul 29 2012, 06:45 AM)  drive down to checker and check the API starburst on the back... the circle around the certification then you will know as far as advertising goes its all words until you read the certification... |
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| Dr Evil |
Jul 29 2012, 09:06 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,002 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) This is a good topic to rehash every so often (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| Katmanken |
Jul 29 2012, 10:54 AM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Yup,
Now I know what FLAPS oil to buy for my old flat tappet 1969-1970 garden tractor/mower. Kendall GT1 20w50 |
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| pilothyer |
Jul 29 2012, 12:58 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 838 Joined: 21-May 08 From: N. Alabama Member No.: 9,080 Region Association: South East States |
This is a link to some information I have found to be very useful when trying to determine the proper oil to use in our dated engines. There is a wealth of info presented there and would be some good read.
http://joegibbsdriven.com/trainingcenter/t...woiloldcar.html |
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| brant |
Jul 29 2012, 02:05 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,632 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(mrholland2 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:44 AM) But Brant, The MSDS isn't an advertisement, it is the legal EPA documentation. QUOTE(brant @ Jul 29 2012, 06:45 AM) drive down to checker and check the API starburst on the back... the circle around the certification then you will know as far as advertising goes its all words until you read the certification... you linked to oreiley... "Valvoline - Motor Oil Part Number: RACE10-30 Line: VAL manufacturer's defect warranty •UPC: 74130002050 •SAE 10W-30 •VR1 Racing Formula •1 Quart Detailed Description More NASCAR Sprint Cup and top NHRA crew chiefs use Valvoline. Valvoline Racing Oil's exclusive chemistry is designed to reduce friction and enhance power. It is among the most popular engine lubricants in all types of racing including paved and dirt ovals, and drag racing. Formulated for race engines, but compatible with passenger vehicles too. •High Zinc/Phosphorus provides Extreme Wear Protection, including Flat Tappet Applications •Additional Friction Modifiers to help Deliver Maximum Horsepower •Enhanced Anti-Foam System Protects Engine during Extreme Stress •Compatible with Gasoline or Alcohol Fuels Manufacturer Information Valvoline has been developing high performance products and services for more than 140 years - longer than any other motor oil company. The Valvoline commitment to quality and innovation is shown in the fact that year after year, more ASE Certified Master Technicians use Valvoline Motor Oil in their own cars and trucks versus any other brand. Valvoline offers a full line of conventional motor oils, gear oils, greases, automatic transmission fluids, and other automotive lubricants specially formulated for the full life of your engine. Valvoline also offers a complete line of performance chemicals that include fuel additives, parts cleaners and starting fluid, and functional fluids. " this is definitely one big advertisement... and no where does it say if its SL or SM certified in this advertisement so it means nothing to me. you need the SAE/API ratings brant |
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| kerensky |
Jul 29 2012, 05:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 531 Joined: 1-February 06 From: Norman, OK Member No.: 5,508 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(brant @ Jul 29 2012, 12:05 PM) this is definitely one big advertisement... and no where does it say if its SL or SM certified in this advertisement so it means nothing to me. you need the SAE/API ratings brant http://valvoline.com/products/consumer-pro...ing-motor-oil/8 Link on this page to the current product information sheet. The sheet lists ZDDP levels as 0.11 to 0.14, depending upon viscosity range. Looks like the current formulation has enough ZDDP for use. Hmmm, how about this one? From the MSDS... Print Date: 7/29/2012 MSDS Number: R0239086 VR1™ VR1 SAE 20W-50 SYNTHETIC RACING OIL VV905 Version: 1.8 Zinc Dialkyl dithiophosphate 0.55 % ZINC DIALKYL DITHIOPHOSPHATE 0.55 % |
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| mrholland2 |
Jul 29 2012, 05:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 7-September 11 From: Santa Maria,CA Member No.: 13,531 Region Association: Central California |
Yes, that link was oreilly, but I had previously read about Castrol GTX and hand typed what I read from the MSDS
http://datasheets.bp.com/ussds/amersdsf.ns...TX%2010W-30.pdf QUOTE(brant @ Jul 29 2012, 01:05 PM) QUOTE(mrholland2 @ Jul 29 2012, 08:44 AM) But Brant, The MSDS isn't an advertisement, it is the legal EPA documentation. QUOTE(brant @ Jul 29 2012, 06:45 AM) drive down to checker and check the API starburst on the back... the circle around the certification then you will know as far as advertising goes its all words until you read the certification... you linked to oreiley... "Valvoline - Motor Oil Part Number: RACE10-30 Line: VAL manufacturer's defect warranty •UPC: 74130002050 •SAE 10W-30 •VR1 Racing Formula •1 Quart Detailed Description More NASCAR Sprint Cup and top NHRA crew chiefs use Valvoline. Valvoline Racing Oil's exclusive chemistry is designed to reduce friction and enhance power. It is among the most popular engine lubricants in all types of racing including paved and dirt ovals, and drag racing. Formulated for race engines, but compatible with passenger vehicles too. •High Zinc/Phosphorus provides Extreme Wear Protection, including Flat Tappet Applications •Additional Friction Modifiers to help Deliver Maximum Horsepower •Enhanced Anti-Foam System Protects Engine during Extreme Stress •Compatible with Gasoline or Alcohol Fuels Manufacturer Information Valvoline has been developing high performance products and services for more than 140 years - longer than any other motor oil company. The Valvoline commitment to quality and innovation is shown in the fact that year after year, more ASE Certified Master Technicians use Valvoline Motor Oil in their own cars and trucks versus any other brand. Valvoline offers a full line of conventional motor oils, gear oils, greases, automatic transmission fluids, and other automotive lubricants specially formulated for the full life of your engine. Valvoline also offers a complete line of performance chemicals that include fuel additives, parts cleaners and starting fluid, and functional fluids. " this is definitely one big advertisement... and no where does it say if its SL or SM certified in this advertisement so it means nothing to me. you need the SAE/API ratings brant |
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| carr914 |
Jul 30 2012, 04:51 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,917 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(mrholland2 @ Jul 28 2012, 07:41 PM) QUOTE(jcd914 @ Jul 28 2012, 04:31 PM) A few oil manufactures have continued to produce oil with the zinc additive that meets the older standards but most of them seem to be the smaller producers and they cater to a niche market. The few I know of are Brad Penn, Royal Purple, Swepco 306 and Jake Raby's Snake Oil. I looked at all of the Custom Oils blended by Brad Penn as well, which would include Raby's snake oil. None had more than 1.5% ZINC. I'm TOTALLY confused. I believe Jake is dealing with Joe Gibbs Oil Royal Purple was recently Sold so watch for developements I would not just dump in some Additive |
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