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Are 914's really this "twitchy" in the rain?, Video of a rally 914-6 |
Drums66 |
Jul 30 2012, 08:37 PM
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914 Rudiments Group: Members Posts: 5,321 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Coronado,Cali Member No.: 151 Region Association: Southwest Region |
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brant |
Jul 30 2012, 10:53 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,638 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
914's are OLD...
they out perform almost all OLD cars in the handling department I find the "wives tale" about them being hard to handle at the limit to be laughable.... with modern tires (anything over 4.5 inches wide), they are much easier to handle than most cars of their time. MUCH easier and MUCH more polite than any early 911. That being said, any modern car can handle as well and better in the rain... Yes I said that... a chevy Aveo probably out handles a vintage car in snow or rain, maybe in the dry. heck even a 500hp brand new corvette probably does better in the snow than a 914. The 914 is not hard to control it is not dangerous in slippery conditions. and it is still old. I have spun enough times to know |
ThePaintedMan |
Jul 31 2012, 07:50 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,886 Joined: 6-September 11 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 13,527 Region Association: South East States |
With respect to the video, that looks a lot more like driver error than anything. He's throwing the car into the corner and using far more throttle than necessary on exit. Note, thats a slick track, but no falling rain. Watch Chris' video for a better example of how, even in driving rain, proper car control ultimately starts with being smooth. Even in crash avoidance, Chris was in much more control and at a higher rate of speed. Thats just my admittedly novice take on things. I have however been in the rain a few times now and just the other day stepped the back end out a little on an on-ramp, mostly because its finally running much better. I wasn't prepared for the extra HP but with a little modulation, it was quite easy to hold steady. I think 914s aren't a great car for the masses to drive in tricky conditions, but by no means do I think they are dangerous or unpredictable. It all comes down the driver!
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6freak |
Jul 31 2012, 07:56 AM
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MR.C Group: Members Posts: 4,740 Joined: 19-March 08 From: Tacoma WA Member No.: 8,829 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
914s handle great in the rain, with the right setup and a good driver! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuNJ5nEqxHU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77oRaG_PoSg With all do respect sir ..in that first clip ya got your ass handed to ya (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) ....it appears you had no grip...kinda twitchy? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
worn |
Jul 31 2012, 08:11 AM
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can't remember Group: Members Posts: 3,162 Joined: 3-June 11 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 13,152 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I don't drive mine in the rain but it is set up with a precise corner-balance and it wants to turn. If you don't pay strict attention you are one lane over with some pissed off cars around you! I totally agree. That is the great things about Porsches: they go where you point 'em. Even when that means over to the right when you look down on the floor for a second. Whoops. Light cars with wide tires are slightly prone to hydroplaning too. Fine on an autocross course where you can go off track. Otherwise prudence isn't such a bad idea. You don't have three tons of metal and 46 airbags like a modern car. |
6freak |
Jul 31 2012, 08:13 AM
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MR.C Group: Members Posts: 4,740 Joined: 19-March 08 From: Tacoma WA Member No.: 8,829 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
With respect to the video, that looks a lot more like driver error than anything. He's throwing the car into the corner and using far more throttle than necessary on exit. Note, thats a slick track, but no falling rain. Watch Chris' video for a better example of how, even in driving rain, proper car control ultimately starts with being smooth. Even in crash avoidance, Chris was in much more control and at a higher rate of speed. Thats just my admittedly novice take on things. I have however been in the rain a few times now and just the other day stepped the back end out a little on an on-ramp, mostly because its finally running much better. I wasn't prepared for the extra HP but with a little modulation, it was quite easy to hold steady. I think 914s aren't a great car for the masses to drive in tricky conditions, but by no means do I think they are dangerous or unpredictable. It all comes down the driver! it was a demonstration... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
ThePaintedMan |
Jul 31 2012, 08:22 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,886 Joined: 6-September 11 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 13,527 Region Association: South East States |
Yep, I know. But the OP asked about whether they were that "twitchy." So I guess what I meant was the twitchiness came from how it was being driven? |
Cohibra45 |
Jul 31 2012, 08:38 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 12-January 08 From: Melbourne, Florida Member No.: 8,564 |
I would just like to add a little help.
Tires make a HUGE difference.........compound, tread, wear, ect.. Harder compounds for trying to get 60 gazillion miles out of them are not friendly!!! BTW, I usually buy the gazillion mile tires....... |
6freak |
Jul 31 2012, 09:00 AM
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MR.C Group: Members Posts: 4,740 Joined: 19-March 08 From: Tacoma WA Member No.: 8,829 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Yep, I know. But the OP asked about whether they were that "twitchy." So I guess what I meant was the twitchiness came from how it was being driven? correct ...that car has lots of power as well so it dont take but a tap of the throttle and its on its way...?what engine red lines at 7400 RPM Like 250HP RS motor.. so to anwser the ? are they twitchy yes IMO are they controllable yes if you slow down and drive to the conditions ...most people just cant catch it when it starts to go around because it happens so fast (myself included) you almost have to counter steer before you start to slide ....Ill bet ya that old man has had that car a very long time and knows it better then anyone and how to drive it ..which is apparent to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
carr914 |
Jul 31 2012, 09:28 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,992 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
With the Center of Gravity tight in the Middle, 914s will pivot easily. With above 200hp, more so.
His Hand Position was Horrible! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) I had this Video saved on CD, but it was in German - I hope they fixed the Rust in the 4-5 Years since I first saw it - I wonder what the metal-plate is hiding (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) |
ChrisFoley |
Jul 31 2012, 09:43 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,934 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
With all do respect sir ..in that first clip ya got your ass handed to ya (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) ....it appears you had no grip...kinda twitchy? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I let a few miatas go by on the first lap because they were fighting with each other and I didn't want to be involved in a collision. Oh, and I let the car get a little off line - braking for turn three - once. After that I passed every one of them and finished first overall. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif) |
6freak |
Jul 31 2012, 10:30 AM
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MR.C Group: Members Posts: 4,740 Joined: 19-March 08 From: Tacoma WA Member No.: 8,829 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
With all do respect sir ..in that first clip ya got your ass handed to ya (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) ....it appears you had no grip...kinda twitchy? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I let a few miatas go by on the first lap because they were fighting with each other and I didn't want to be involved in a collision. Oh, and I let the car get a little off line - braking for turn three - once. After that I passed every one of them and finished first overall. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
type47fan |
Jul 31 2012, 10:49 PM
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It Looks Better In Person. . . Group: Members Posts: 860 Joined: 17-September 03 From: Carlsbad, CA Member No.: 1,170 Region Association: Southern California |
Off topic comments about Georg's car: without knowing the VIN, it's hard to believe it's an original 914/6, unless it's a '72. It appears to me to be a conversion. It has the 4 cyl. steering column, late gauges, a '74 US rear bumper. It does have early window cranks, interior door release handles, and silver windshield washer nozzles.
Not important, but just personally felt some visual tension viewing the details of the car. My inner Garvey was showing. On topic: I found the contributed videos and the discussion by members on the handling characteristics of the 914 in wet weather and the need for continual driver training very helpful. Thanks, |
sean_v8_914 |
Aug 1 2012, 08:00 AM
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Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541 |
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Chris is super smooth in the rain. small hand movements, handled the throttle like a volume control are those the same miatas that spun later in teh video? (the ones you let by in teh begining) i have only done 2 events in teh rain. i learned more in one wet AX than teh previous 10 AX in dry. |
ThePaintedMan |
Aug 1 2012, 08:19 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,886 Joined: 6-September 11 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 13,527 Region Association: South East States |
Off topic comments about Georg's car: without knowing the VIN, it's hard to believe it's an original 914/6, unless it's a '72. It appears to me to be a conversion. It has the 4 cyl. steering column, late gauges, a '74 US rear bumper. It does have early window cranks, interior door release handles, and silver windshield washer nozzles. Not important, but just personally felt some visual tension viewing the details of the car. My inner Garvey was showing. On topic: I found the contributed videos and the discussion by members on the handling characteristics of the 914 in wet weather and the need for continual driver training very helpful. Thanks, Hey Wayne, There was a discussion here awhile back about the car and the some issues you noticed. I'm awful at finding past threads (don't know how you guys do it). But I assumed that some original /6 owners probably swap those wear-and-tear items out, much like the original engine, so they can put the miles on parts that are more readily available and not so $. Perhaps he did the same? |
Eddie914 |
Aug 1 2012, 06:54 PM
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The car does not look "twitchy" at all. It looks nicely balanced.
Any car with less than 10lbs per horsepower can easily break the tires loose on wet pavement. Mid engine cars will rotate more quickly due to the low polar moment of inertia ... great for AutoX ... can be tricky on wet pavement! BTDT |
ChrisFoley |
Aug 1 2012, 10:44 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,934 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
... are those the same miatas that spun later in teh video? (the ones you let by in teh begining) ... yes. I had to drive off the pavement on the first lap to avoid the first spinning Miata. Thats why one more car was able to pass me before the lap was finished. I took my time re-passing them and eventually caught and passed the race leader a couple laps before the finish. |
messix |
Aug 1 2012, 11:07 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
The car does not look "twitchy" at all. It looks nicely balanced. Any car with less than 10lbs per horsepower can easily break the tires loose on wet pavement. Mid engine cars will rotate more quickly due to the low polar moment of inertia ... great for AutoX ... can be tricky on wet pavement! BTDT if any one is qualified to comment on this subject i think the guy who lives where it rains all the time, AND where he track days his car in the rain more than some of you yahoos even drive your cars! Ed drives his car, on track tires, to the track, on the street and highway, in the seattle area..... where it RAINS, year round! and his car is a beast! i have btdt, thank you Ed for letting me drive the beast! now for a weak 4 cyl car, i drove mine in the rain quite a bit and the guys around here know that i don't drive like i'm hauling miss daisy, i have never felt like the car was "twitchy", i have pushed to get understeer and have let it get some oversteer. i guess if you don't know your car and how it will react with the inputs from the driver then you shouldn't even worry about driving quickly and just stick to driving miss daisy! |
messix |
Aug 1 2012, 11:28 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
now this is twitchy
http://www.snotr.com/video/8477/this_is_ho...rive_in_the_wet |
type47fan |
Aug 2 2012, 12:59 AM
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It Looks Better In Person. . . Group: Members Posts: 860 Joined: 17-September 03 From: Carlsbad, CA Member No.: 1,170 Region Association: Southern California |
Off topic comments about Georg's car: without knowing the VIN, it's hard to believe it's an original 914/6, unless it's a '72. It appears to me to be a conversion. It has the 4 cyl. steering column, late gauges, a '74 US rear bumper. It does have early window cranks, interior door release handles, and silver windshield washer nozzles. Not important, but just personally felt some visual tension viewing the details of the car. My inner Garvey was showing. On topic: I found the contributed videos and the discussion by members on the handling characteristics of the 914 in wet weather and the need for continual driver training very helpful. Thanks, Hey Wayne, There was a discussion here awhile back about the car and the some issues you noticed. I'm awful at finding past threads (don't know how you guys do it). But I assumed that some original /6 owners probably swap those wear-and-tear items out, much like the original engine, so they can put the miles on parts that are more readily available and not so $. Perhaps he did the same? Thanks, George. Of course that makes perfect sense. |
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