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post Nov 1 2004, 03:15 PM
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Well, my first big problem since I owned the car, so guess i'm lucky. Anyhow could hear the thing start to whir loudly and belt started to slip ie burn luckly i was only 4 miles from home and make it just as it really started to bind up, ie it got louder. i'm fairly certain no other damage occured it never completley locked up and car never got hot. This is my self diagnosis but i'm 99% sure i'm right. Anyhow, I plan on dropping the motor and fixing this myself, i'm making a list of other while i'm in there projects, here's my list so far.

The motor is a 2.7 CIS with pressure fed tensioners, rebuilt 14k ago, or so i'm told. I have no paperwork on the motor.

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Start with comp and leak down test just to be sure i'm not doing this for nothing
New Alt (duh!)
New Alt Belt
Possible change to bulkhead six firewall mount from my quick six bar
Above will require removal of working ac system however (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Fix all easy DIY oil leaks
check clutch
adjust valves
repaint engine bay


that's pretty much what i have so far... This will be a huge undertaking for me, I have done none of the above, and will have a newborn in 2 weeks time so this will likley drag on untill spring. Any advice or items to add? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

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post Nov 1 2004, 03:23 PM
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You pretty much hit the major stuff. Great time to clean up the engine bay, battery area and do any repairs that might be needed. All that "while I am in there" stuff can keep a car down a long time.

Good luck and post pics for us! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Nov 1 2004, 03:27 PM
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ferg,

this all makes me nervous..
this is the kind of job that starts out fine, but ends up taking 6-12 months...

are you sure you want to do this.
fix it in the car.

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post Nov 1 2004, 03:33 PM
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Oh I should add:

Firewall access panel
Crane ignition or similar

Brant, If I choose to accept this mission, will be done in time for WCC 05!

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post Nov 1 2004, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(Ferg @ Nov 1 2004, 01:33 PM)
Firewall access panel

No, no, no, no, please stop there. Man, don't cut a hole in your car, please don't! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

If you want to just change out the alternator, you can do it while the engine is still in the car. But don't start cuting holes in your 914! Please don't! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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that's pretty much what i have so far... This will be a huge undertaking for me, I have done none of the above, and will have a newborn in 2 weeks time so this will likley drag on untill spring. Any advice or items to add? confused24.gif


Newborn + "while I'm there" work on car + Life = Little to no sleep.

Good Luck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 1 2004, 03:41 PM
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as long as I'm whining about things that are none of my business....

don't change the motor mount..
especially if it means pulling out the A/C

I do like firewall mounts better, but yours works fine...


I'm just afraid that you'll get sucked into the "while your there" trap....

your car is great the way it is...
you don't need to change a bunch of stuff... its a dang nice car!

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post Nov 1 2004, 03:48 PM
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Real men cut holes in their firewall.....we can take the heat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Cobble sumthing up...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Nov 1 2004, 03:50 PM
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Brant,

you know my car and 914's better than anyone else i know, so as far as i'm concerned it is your business! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)

I'll call you tonight, you and my wife may be able to change my mind.

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post Nov 1 2004, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Nov 1 2004, 01:48 PM)
Real men cut holes in their firewall.....we can take the heat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Cobble sumthing up...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Speachless. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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QUOTE(Root_Werks @ Nov 1 2004, 01:58 PM)
QUOTE(J P Stein @ Nov 1 2004, 01:48 PM)
Real men cut holes in their firewall.....we can take the heat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Cobble sumthing up...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Speachless. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I doubt that'll last long.
I am pokin' fun, ya know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Are you trying to say I can't shut up for more than 5 minutes? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 1 2004, 04:17 PM
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Cut a hole in the firewall? Ever stop to think there might be a reason they call it a "fire" wall? No way would I do that. There's NO possible valid reason why you should do this to your car. The Cap'n
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post Nov 1 2004, 05:13 PM
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IIRC I know that car too. I even drove it unless it was one of my dreams when I forgit my aluminium foil hat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Waaaay too nice to cobble (Did I say that?) One of them cars that deserves to be fixed and driven, not up on jacks for a long time.

BTW, if you woulda got a real PPI instead of havin some slakjaw yokel check it out you woulda known that alternator was on the way out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Glad to hear that's the only problem so far.
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post Nov 1 2004, 05:32 PM
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This will be a huge undertaking for me, I have done none of the above, and will have a newborn in 2 weeks time so this will likley drag on untill spring. Any advice or items to add?


I did this on my 6, no problem! You might as well check the trailing arm pivot point and bushings while your in there!

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post Nov 1 2004, 05:33 PM
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Motor out

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post Nov 1 2004, 05:48 PM
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Hi Sam, I still owe you a (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) and more for checking it out, you swayed me in the right direction, and it turned out, I bought the car just in time. (seller had higher offer waiting in the wings)
Looks better without the stripe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) glad those windows were tinted for the drive back! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Jeff, thanks for those pics, the one gives me a good idea of how high that ass end needs to be if i decide to take the plunge and pull it out.

thanks to all, I need to think this through a little more before I decide. I will not mess it up I promise
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Wow, and this comes like 2 days after a thread on another
board about what to replace in advance in your 911. Alt
was mentioned as typically only lasting 80K.

I'm sort of into summer reliability, so I think I will be doing
it soon!

On other note, don't cut holes in firewall. It takes about 1
minute to take the distributor out with clamp attached
(holds timing basically), and if that's too much work for
you then buy an optical or hall replacement. (IMHO)
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post Nov 1 2004, 09:33 PM
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Ferg,

I've replaced the alternator in my /6 in the car -- my blundering approach is documented here:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act...&f=2&t=8098&hl=

It wasn't actually that bad -- I can now do the dissassembly in about an hour or so once set up (towels covering the trunk/sides/etc and the tools out by the car (and it's probably worth just removing the engine cover for easier access) -- so I wouldn't shy away from it. You probably have more base mech skills -- if you have a new alternator ready to go in, you could do it in half a day ignoring the odd gotcha that inevitably comes up.

If you need more info, pm me. I'm happy to share (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) the story.... heh.

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