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| Tom_T |
 Nov 7 2012, 05:15 PM
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TMI....  Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California 
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QUOTE(FastFebut @ Nov 7 2012, 12:23 PM)  QUOTE(Cracker @ Nov 7 2012, 06:31 AM) Looks like a nice car...any ad that references "Grandfather" 8 times reminds me of an old Andy Griffith episode (the "Barney's first car" episode). GLWS and I concur with the notion that you snag 25k for a 4 cyl if you can get it...it was a "safe" bid given that reserve wouldn't be met. PS - Did I miss something or are there no engine, trans, or undercarriage pictures listed??? ...just putting it out there. I had posted some motor/undercar pics on vuvox, but it's not showing now for some reason and eBay won't help/doesn't know how to help... I think the problem is at your vuvox linked file, cuz I'd bookmarked that one too (sorry, I just love Marathon Blue 914s (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) & that comes up black. You may have to redo the original collage thingy or link another, or just add the extra pix from there to your evil-bay ad. I did see you offered to email someone pix in a post above. |
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| dlkawashima |
Nov 7 2012, 07:57 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 9,749 Joined: 1-October 10 From: San Jose Member No.: 12,234 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Nov 7 2012, 03:15 PM) I think the problem is at your vuvox linked file, cuz I'd bookmarked that one too (sorry, I just love Marathon Blue 914s (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) & that comes up black. Before the vuvox thing went down, I thought I saw a picture of the paint code. Was it L96D ..... silver? |
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| FastFebut |
Nov 7 2012, 09:33 PM
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I'm new here ... Group: Members Posts: 0 Joined: 6-November 12 From: Sacramento Member No.: 15,118 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Nov 7 2012, 05:57 PM) QUOTE(Tom_T @ Nov 7 2012, 03:15 PM) I think the problem is at your vuvox linked file, cuz I'd bookmarked that one too (sorry, I just love Marathon Blue 914s (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) & that comes up black. Before the vuvox thing went down, I thought I saw a picture of the paint code. Was it L96D ..... silver? L96m??? |
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| FastFebut |
Nov 7 2012, 09:36 PM
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I'm new here ... Group: Members Posts: 0 Joined: 6-November 12 From: Sacramento Member No.: 15,118 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Nov 7 2012, 03:15 PM) QUOTE(FastFebut @ Nov 7 2012, 12:23 PM) QUOTE(Cracker @ Nov 7 2012, 06:31 AM) Looks like a nice car...any ad that references "Grandfather" 8 times reminds me of an old Andy Griffith episode (the "Barney's first car" episode). GLWS and I concur with the notion that you snag 25k for a 4 cyl if you can get it...it was a "safe" bid given that reserve wouldn't be met. PS - Did I miss something or are there no engine, trans, or undercarriage pictures listed??? ...just putting it out there. I had posted some motor/undercar pics on vuvox, but it's not showing now for some reason and eBay won't help/doesn't know how to help... I think the problem is at your vuvox linked file, cuz I'd bookmarked that one too (sorry, I just love Marathon Blue 914s (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) & that comes up black. You may have to redo the original collage thingy or link another, or just add the extra pix from there to your evil-bay ad. I did see you offered to email someone pix in a post above. Yea, that vuvox thing was working good but then crapped out and I can't get a response back from vuvox.com I did but haven't gotten a reply back. I took like 6 motor pics and a few undercar pics by the passenger rear. |
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| FastFebut |
Nov 7 2012, 10:01 PM
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I'm new here ... Group: Members Posts: 0 Joined: 6-November 12 From: Sacramento Member No.: 15,118 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(FastFebut @ Nov 7 2012, 07:33 PM) QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Nov 7 2012, 05:57 PM) QUOTE(Tom_T @ Nov 7 2012, 03:15 PM) I think the problem is at your vuvox linked file, cuz I'd bookmarked that one too (sorry, I just love Marathon Blue 914s (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) & that comes up black. Before the vuvox thing went down, I thought I saw a picture of the paint code. Was it L96D ..... silver? L96m??? http://www.p914.com/p914_paint_L96M_73.htm |
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| Tom_T |
Nov 8 2012, 12:47 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Nov 7 2012, 06:57 PM) QUOTE(Tom_T @ Nov 7 2012, 03:15 PM) I think the problem is at your vuvox linked file, cuz I'd bookmarked that one too (sorry, I just love Marathon Blue 914s (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) & that comes up black. Before the vuvox thing went down, I thought I saw a picture of the paint code. Was it L96D ..... silver? It was L96M Marathon Blue Metallic Dave. The color shows up better on some of the pix, especially inside. The clearcoat on this one doesn't appear to be crazed, like that claimed 24k mi Marathon one in NY that was on here in 2010 (it also showed more pedal & carpet wear "tells" & had a 10+ year gap in records, so it could've been 124k or 224K mi). I looked at it as a possible "jump ship" on my 2.0's resto, in order to have it to drive my daughter up to her wedding locale in Nov `10, but it didn't pass my initial sniff test & I decided o stick with my own resto. This one might have caught me though, as it appears to be all as claimed. |
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| Tom_T |
Nov 8 2012, 12:51 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(FastFebut @ Nov 7 2012, 08:36 PM) Yea, that vuvox thing was working good but then crapped out and I can't get a response back from vuvox.com I did but haven't gotten a reply back. I took like 6 motor pics and a few undercar pics by the passenger rear. I'd suggest just adding the missing pix to your evil-bay ad of the engine & belly & a few good interior shots were on the vuvox too which you could add. Of course I say that not knowing how much of a PITA it is to do so! You might also clarify whether this 914 has been actually driven by anyone recently - & if not, get it on a test drive for a few miles & report back. One person whom I had look at it mentioned the concern over what might need work after sitting so long (fuel lines, brake system/lines, etc.), although it turns out he's not currently in the market for a 73-74 914-2.0 as of now. |
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| mittelmotor |
Nov 8 2012, 07:13 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 21-May 12 From: SoCal Member No.: 14,464 Region Association: None |
Hmm....BIN price $25,002, current bid $25,000. One would think that the high (and only) bidder would step up $2.
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| mepstein |
Nov 8 2012, 07:31 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,255 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(mittelmotor @ Nov 8 2012, 08:13 PM) Hmm....BIN price $25,002, current bid $25,000. One would think that the high (and only) bidder would step up $2. Unless it was a shill bidder. |
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| jela5958 |
Nov 8 2012, 09:31 PM
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I'm new here ... Group: Members Posts: 0 Joined: 18-January 11 From: Bakersfield, CA Member No.: 12,607 Region Association: Central California |
 According to Hagerty's Valuation Tool a '73 concourse (Condition 1) 2.0 pegs out at $31K. Condition 2 cars (former concourse) peg out at roughly $23K. If the documentation is there to authenticate that every nut & bolt is original or factory correct, then it's worth the money. Authentication starts with a COA, then certification from a bona fide Porsche authority or restorer, and then ownership history documentation. If the owner has ALL of that then the car is worth somewhere between $23k and $31K ... if any of that documentation is missing, it doesn't matter how flawless the car, it's currently only worth somewhere between $14K and $23K. Granted, if someone's willing to pay $25K or more, great for the seller but that doesn't make the car a concourse car or worth the money paid for one. |
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| FastFebut |
Nov 9 2012, 01:43 AM
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I'm new here ... Group: Members Posts: 0 Joined: 6-November 12 From: Sacramento Member No.: 15,118 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(jela5958 @ Nov 8 2012, 07:31 PM) According to Hagerty's Valuation Tool a '73 concourse (Condition 1) 2.0 pegs out at $31K. Condition 2 cars (former concourse) peg out at roughly $23K. If the documentation is there to authenticate that every nut & bolt is original or factory correct, then it's worth the money. Authentication starts with a COA, then certification from a bona fide Porsche authority or restorer, and then ownership history documentation. If the owner has ALL of that then the car is worth somewhere between $23k and $31K ... if any of that documentation is missing, it doesn't matter how flawless the car, it's currently only worth somewhere between $14K and $23K. Granted, if someone's willing to pay $25K or more, great for the seller but that doesn't make the car a concourse car or worth the money paid for one. eBay is being a real snatch about me trying to update my add. They won't let me change/add pictures and the vuvox isn't working right either... I took the BIN to $25002 because the reserve is at $25001 and eBay won't let me change it. I also can't get in touch with the lone bidder which has me concerned. I found a service receipt showing that my grandpa had taken it in in'10 to change seals/gaskets/lines and all necessary components due to "sitting" which was indicated on the service receipt. She starts up fine and goes true. If you've got a smartphone and want a picture, send me your number and what you want a picture of and it's done. Or send me your e-mail. Extended to anyone who is interested in the 914 btw... |
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| RFoulds |
Nov 9 2012, 04:33 PM
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Green Teen 66 Group: Members Posts: 837 Joined: 10-August 09 From: La Quinta, CA Member No.: 10,656 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Hey, you're doing an excellent job on this, making your Grandfather proud!
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| EdwardBlume |
Nov 10 2012, 08:13 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California
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IMHO keep the car. If it spent its whole life in your family, the greatest value is there.
I restored my Dad's 914 (search Dads car) and I easily spent $25000 on the full restoration. Not many people sign up for those projects. I did it for the connection with my Dad. Its likely the legitimate sale for the highest price will send the car to Europe where it may actually become a race car. Most of the people who have done this really don't care about the history that much. If you don't know these cars, you may want to consider taking it to any number of experts on 914s, understand the true condition and value, and then achieve your goal. Again, consider keeping the car if you can. |
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| FastFebut |
Nov 10 2012, 02:50 PM
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I'm new here ... Group: Members Posts: 0 Joined: 6-November 12 From: Sacramento Member No.: 15,118 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(RobW @ Nov 10 2012, 06:13 AM) IMHO keep the car. If it spent its whole life in your family, the greatest value is there. I restored my Dad's 914 (search Dads car) and I easily spent $25000 on the full restoration. Not many people sign up for those projects. I did it for the connection with my Dad. Its likely the legitimate sale for the highest price will send the car to Europe where it may actually become a race car. Most of the people who have done this really don't care about the history that much. If you don't know these cars, you may want to consider taking it to any number of experts on 914s, understand the true condition and value, and then achieve your goal. Again, consider keeping the car if you can. I can not keep it unfortunately. The money the family gets from this sale will fund everyone's travel to arlington for my grandfathers funeral. I have a feeling this bidder is going to flake and i'll have to repost... |
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| Tom_T |
Nov 10 2012, 03:51 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(jela5958 @ Nov 8 2012, 08:31 PM) According to Hagerty's Valuation Tool a '73 concourse (Condition 1) 2.0 pegs out at $31K. Condition 2 cars (former concourse) peg out at roughly $23K. If the documentation is there to authenticate that every nut & bolt is original or factory correct, then it's worth the money. Authentication starts with a COA, then certification from a bona fide Porsche authority or restorer, and then ownership history documentation. If the owner has ALL of that then the car is worth somewhere between $23k and $31K ... if any of that documentation is missing, it doesn't matter how flawless the car, it's currently only worth somewhere between $14K and $23K. Granted, if someone's willing to pay $25K or more, great for the seller but that doesn't make the car a concourse car or worth the money paid for one. A couple of clarifications are of note here. 1.) PCA Zone 8 rules are only that 75% of interior, exterior, etc. be original to the car as built & left the factory - not 100%. 2.) "Documentation" of every nut & bolt being original is not required, as it is usually judged by physical inspection, and it really only comes up under challenge at Parade level for close cars in the final phase, which is not usually the case. The more accurate test is "period & maker correct" - especially for cars which are actually driven & not a permanent museum piece. This is true even in non-PCA concours circles, and certainly not what Hagerty means by #1 & #2. 3.) #2 is for an older restoration or preservation prep/condition, & they compete in concours all the time at #2 level cars. 4.) I agree that in most circumstances the seller should not only get a COA on a car of this level & survivor/originality condition, but also fix the little stuff. However even PCNA says that the window sticker & original documentation trumps their often inaccurate COAs (I speak from firsthand experience unfortunately), and they'll even give a discount on the COA if you supply a copy of the window sticker (which IIRC this car has). I would also expect the seller in this class & price to repair the center console & AC, etc. to perfect running order, or to be flexible on the price. In this case - a family grieving the loss and trying to raise money to travel cross-country for a veteran's funeral - I wouldn't expect that "every t dotted & i crossed" (no I don't have crossed eyes! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ). So the prospective buyer(s) & seller would need to come to mutually agreeable terms with the family. BTW - a prospective serious buyer could probably call PCNA with the VIN, engine & transaxle number & explain the situation & request a pre-purchase verification that it is indeed numbers matching, & tell them that they'd buy the COA as soon as the deal closed & they have official title. PCNA should do this for a prospective buyer, and has done so in the past. . Matt - The new pix are great, and if a prospective buyer has a PPI done - then go along with the car & get some additional underside pix while the car is on the lift for the PPI - or ask for a copy of the buyer/prospect's pix. As of now, I'd add a good clear pic with flash looking down into the Hell Hole under the batter tray down into the firewall/side-frame juncture, & a few of the front & rear suspension mounts of it in your driveway. Cheers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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| jela5958 |
Nov 10 2012, 08:34 PM
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I'm new here ... Group: Members Posts: 0 Joined: 18-January 11 From: Bakersfield, CA Member No.: 12,607 Region Association: Central California |
Tom I agree. I shouldn't have generalized. I was trying to make the point that a few additional pieces of documentation might be in order, considering the minimum asking price. Documentation aside, the car appears to be an honest No. 2 condition car, a solid survivor.
As you suggested, the console & a/c should be corrected. The right brake light lense should also be replaced ... a thorough walk-around & PPI should unearth any other items that can be addressed or more likely negotiated, to accommodate the immediate sale that the family appears to be in need of. So note to seller, considering your family's apparent circumstance, please appreciate that you may have to accept less than what you're hoping to get. Joe |
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| FastFebut |
Nov 10 2012, 09:12 PM
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I'm new here ... Group: Members Posts: 0 Joined: 6-November 12 From: Sacramento Member No.: 15,118 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(jela5958 @ Nov 10 2012, 06:34 PM) Tom I agree. I shouldn't have generalized. I was trying to make the point that a few additional pieces of documentation might be in order, considering the minimum asking price. Documentation aside, the car appears to be an honest No. 2 condition car, a solid survivor. As you suggested, the console & a/c should be corrected. The right brake light lense should also be replaced ... a thorough walk-around & PPI should unearth any other items that can be addressed or more likely negotiated, to accommodate the immediate sale that the family appears to be in need of. So note to seller, considering your family's apparent circumstance, please appreciate that you may have to accept less than what you're hoping to get. Joe Thanks Joe. We may consider the price. As for the AC, a tank of r12 comes with the sale and honestly we don't have time for the console. This forum is the only place I've need getting constructive feedback from. Every other site comes with sever harrasment and people wasting my time. It's frustrating at times honestly. But thank you. We'll prob repost with a different start price since this current bidder is acting null. |
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