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post Dec 21 2012, 08:02 AM
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I know this is pig-in a poke story
Looking to establish value of professionally built 1.7 to 2. liter motor. Also who is California based race shop owned by asian four cylinder guru...
Have no more info on engine sorry
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post Dec 21 2012, 10:41 AM
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I am surprised ....no opinions (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
complete with carbs....gut estimate is good !
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post Dec 21 2012, 12:19 PM
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this is the classifieds, post in the garage to get opinions
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post Dec 21 2012, 12:51 PM
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post Dec 21 2012, 01:07 PM
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Have no more info on engine sorry

^ That explains this:

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It is impossible to put a value on a rebuilt engine without knowing details of the build and builder reputation.

So, curious.... is he an Asian engine builder, or does he build Asian engines? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'm trying to figure out if we are supposed to recognize who he is by that, or if he specializes engines that are nothing like Type 4s.
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post Dec 21 2012, 02:21 PM
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value of pro built 1.7 to 2.0 typr 4 motor. that would be between $10,000 and $15,000. labor rates in cal are around $100. per hour. a professional would require new heads, new p/c new exhaust and many new f/i components. parts and shipping would easily exceed $8,000. That does not allow a lot for labor and profit and takes time. the only way to do it cheaper is to rebuild 10 engines at a time and you could probably save $1,000. good luck finding 9 other guys willing to buy the other 9 engines
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post Dec 21 2012, 02:27 PM
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value of pro built 1.7 to 2.0 typr 4 motor. that would be between $10,000 and $15,000.

Unless we still don't know the specs and builder reputation, saying it was built by a pro doesn't mean anything. If I had two seconds to decide between your unknown pro $15,000 engine and one of McMark's $5000 2056s, it would be a no brainer. I'm not a gambling man.

There are pros like Jake, FAT, and Motormeister. Then there's specs, and a bunch of other complete unknowns. I stick to my point: You can't place a value on this without the pertinent information.
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post Dec 21 2012, 02:35 PM
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rand, he simply asked the value of a pro built motor, not the actual cost. i will stick with my 10 to 15 grand as value
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post Dec 21 2012, 02:40 PM
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Ok, no dog in the fight or bones to pick. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Actually, I'm talking about value too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
Am I missing something, or does this make my point stronger?

Planning cost before building is a very calculated process.
But determining the value of an existing engine with so many unknowns is a complete mystery.
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post Dec 21 2012, 02:44 PM
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Try emailing your question to FAT Performance out here in Orange CA - not an "Asian owner", but Ron the owner of FAT may know who you're asking about. They're website is online... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif)
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post Dec 21 2012, 02:48 PM
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Ok ...I know my post was inadequate but that was all I had ...Seller trying to get value for something no one has info on. Rand (and others make best point) no documentation no value. I'm done ...thanks

Everyone have a Merry and a Happy.

All the best !
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post Dec 21 2012, 02:52 PM
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Hey Terry,

I antagonize sometimes, but I only hope to raise points that make people think.

Happy 12/21.

All the best to you and yours as well.
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post Dec 21 2012, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(Tom_T @ Dec 21 2012, 12:44 PM) *

Try emailing your question to FAT Performance out here in Orange CA - not an "Asian owner", but Ron the owner of FAT may know who you're asking about. They're website is online... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif)

Still a mystery cloak for me. Apparently I'm lame and not a local. I guess I should know who we are talking about because FAT Ron is an Asian???

(Not directed at you, Tom......... Just trying to figure out the Asian reference. Fuching cloakers can't speak straight up.)
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post Dec 21 2012, 03:02 PM
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value of pro built 1.7 to 2.0 typr 4 motor. that would be between $10,000 and $15,000. labor rates in cal are around $100. per hour. a professional would require new heads, new p/c new exhaust and many new f/i components. parts and shipping would easily exceed $8,000. That does not allow a lot for labor and profit and takes time. the only way to do it cheaper is to rebuild 10 engines at a time and you could probably save $1,000. good luck finding 9 other guys willing to buy the other 9 engines


Damn! I'm not charging near enough for my engine builds (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

$15k that would be a nickies engine maybe even a /6 rebuild (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)

MDG are you seeing this...we really don't have the price nailed down on your engine yet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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Jake might charge you 10~15K for a motor, but that wouldn't be a stock motor.

A stock 1.7L or 2.0L from most professional builders would be much less ... I'd say 4~7K with a lot of new parts would be a more realistic number.
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post Dec 21 2012, 03:42 PM
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Sorry guys but I do appreciate the points .....

I have been ringing my hands because seller is nice guy and I just can't rationalize his $$.
I have said ...if someone has a car for sale for 10K that is worth 3k and you get it for 5.....you have gotten a bad deal !
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post Dec 21 2012, 03:44 PM
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Are you re-asking us to tell you that you have a diamond in the rust?

Stop wringing your hands. Buy it. Tell us about it later.
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post Dec 21 2012, 04:17 PM
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With the information you have given, I have to assume the worst. It's a core motor that may run. I'd pay no more than $500 for that.

If the seller can prove it's something more, the price goes up from there.
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post Dec 21 2012, 04:34 PM
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You said "pig in a poke" in the OP.

What was the point of this thread?
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post Dec 21 2012, 05:10 PM
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I build about 2 engines a year, It takes me about 40 hours to dissassemble , clean, and reassemble a Ty4 engine . That is if you bring it to me and I don't have to measure anything , just put it together with new rings, brgs ETC. lapping valves , honing cylinders and so on is extra. Just an estimate.
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