 DRD Aircooled 2316 Stroker kit, Know any one running one? |
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| wndsnd |
 Jan 8 2013, 08:24 PM
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You wanted a horse, but got a goat. Nobody wants a goat....  Group: Members Posts: 2,861 Joined: 12-February 12 From: North Shore, MA Member No.: 14,124 Region Association: North East States   |
Seems reasonable for $1500.00
Www.drdracingheads.com Supposedly no case modifications. |
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| ConeDodger |
Jan 8 2013, 09:18 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,586 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California 
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Didjoo blow up again??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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| Dave_Darling |
Jan 8 2013, 09:21 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,985 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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Seems totally UNreasonable to me. $1500 for a whole engine stroker kit? You can't build a stock motor for that little!!
I'm throwing the BS flag on this... --DD |
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| wndsnd |
Jan 8 2013, 09:32 PM
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You wanted a horse, but got a goat. Nobody wants a goat.... Group: Members Posts: 2,861 Joined: 12-February 12 From: North Shore, MA Member No.: 14,124 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Jan 8 2013, 10:18 PM)  I don't have a stinkng engine! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) |
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| nsr-jamie |
Jan 8 2013, 09:34 PM
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914 guy in Japan Group: Members Posts: 1,182 Joined: 7-November 07 From: Nagoya, Japan Member No.: 8,305 Region Association: None |
I didn't check the link you provided but that sounds too cheap...though it could be very poorly made Chinese made parts...they are flooding the market here in Japan with cheaply made Honda motorcycle parts (less than 70 percent cheaper than OEM in some cases)...the price is super low and so is the quality.
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| wndsnd |
Jan 8 2013, 09:36 PM
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You wanted a horse, but got a goat. Nobody wants a goat.... Group: Members Posts: 2,861 Joined: 12-February 12 From: North Shore, MA Member No.: 14,124 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jan 8 2013, 10:21 PM) Seems totally UNreasonable to me. $1500 for a whole engine stroker kit? You can't build a stock motor for that little!! I'm throwing the BS flag on this... --DD You would think I would be the jaded one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
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| gtsdls |
Jan 8 2013, 09:55 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 28-November 03 From: Vestal, NY Member No.: 1,402 |
Did anyone actually look at the DRD web page and the details provided? Kit is crank, P&C's, rods. It is not a "full" kit. Appear to be Chinese QC'd parts based on description/disclosures.
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| wndsnd |
Jan 8 2013, 10:09 PM
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You wanted a horse, but got a goat. Nobody wants a goat.... Group: Members Posts: 2,861 Joined: 12-February 12 From: North Shore, MA Member No.: 14,124 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(gtsdls @ Jan 8 2013, 10:55 PM) Did anyone actually look at the DRD web page and the details provided? Kit is crank, P&C's, rods. It is not a "full" kit. Appear to be Chinese QC'd parts based on description/disclosures. Bearings too....I was more interested to see if it really does fit a std case without mods. |
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| aircooledtechguy |
Jan 8 2013, 10:14 PM
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The Aircooledtech Guy Group: Members Posts: 1,966 Joined: 8-November 08 From: Anacortes, WA Member No.: 9,730 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Well, the engine kit you're refering to is only comprised of a cranc, rodsand a P&C set, so that's hardley what I would consider a "kit". You would still need head$, cam, gear and lifters, pushrods and rocker assemblies, etc. Once you pay for that kit, count on another $3500 to finish off the parts needed and you'll be pretty close to having everything.
Going big is not cheap!! |
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| wndsnd |
Jan 8 2013, 10:21 PM
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You wanted a horse, but got a goat. Nobody wants a goat.... Group: Members Posts: 2,861 Joined: 12-February 12 From: North Shore, MA Member No.: 14,124 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(aircooledtechguy @ Jan 8 2013, 11:14 PM) Well, the engine kit you're refering to is only comprised of a cranc, rodsand a P&C set, so that's hardley what I would consider a "kit". You would still need head$, cam, gear and lifters, pushrods and rocker assemblies, etc. Once you pay for that kit, count on another $3500 to finish off the parts needed and you'll be pretty close to having everything. Going big is not cheap!! Right but wouldn't that be the same for a 2056 and this is 2316! |
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| rhodyguy |
Jan 9 2013, 11:05 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,080 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
has anyone in the santa anna area familiar with this outfit? as it's an "industry leader", strange i've/we've never heard of it before. add heads, ign, carbs/a.m. fi, linkage, case, disposables, etc, you'll be @5k when the dust settles. that's parts.
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| JamesM |
Jan 9 2013, 11:47 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,900 Joined: 6-April 06 From: Kearns, UT Member No.: 5,834 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
From what I recall DRD heads are big with the type 1 guys. One of the best. I believe jake used to get some heads from him as well but turnaround was to slow. I have been watching that site for a couple years now thinking about a rebuild. Looks like he has added quite a bit to it recently. Also looks like he is pushing the 914 angle more, maybe because jake has backed away from us a bit.
The components looks like pretty standard stuff. Cant do much better then KB or JE pistons and he offers either. Have not heard much about people using AA cranks. $1200 - $1700 for NEW CNC ported heads, 2500 - 2800 for 2L seems to be a similar offering to what else is out there but at a much better price. Slow turnaround might be worth it for someone who is not in the business for producing engines. |
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| DBCooper |
Jan 9 2013, 11:49 AM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
Excellent reputation in the T1 community, except for the slow turnarounds.
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| ChrisFoley |
Jan 9 2013, 12:27 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,925 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Jan 8 2013, 10:18 PM) I think you're referring to wndsrfr. |
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| KaptKaos |
Jan 9 2013, 12:41 PM
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Family Group: Members Posts: 4,009 Joined: 23-April 03 From: Near Wausau Member No.: 607 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Interesting.
Too bad their website is nearly unreadable. |
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| Valy |
Jan 9 2013, 02:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,675 Joined: 6-April 10 From: Sunnyvale, CA Member No.: 11,573 Region Association: Northern California |
The kit is missing the cylinder spacers. You will probably need about 1/2" of spacing, depending on the piston height.
Otherwise, the price seems OK. You can check the individual parts prices for the same parts here: http://motors.shop.ebay.com/kokoparts/m.html This guy also sells on thesamba without the ebay commissions. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/sea...itButton=Search |
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| tscrihfield |
Jan 9 2013, 04:46 PM
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Drive Fast and Take Chances Group: Members Posts: 643 Joined: 8-September 10 From: Amelia Ohio Member No.: 12,156 Region Association: None
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I can speak to this..Darren @ DRD did my 2 liter heads. They are great quality, but we're slow. He is a one man band and that is why he is slow. But if you got time to wait, while its on Jackstands and want quality work... Go for it. He does great work. As far as engines go. FAT is a great place to look. Plus those guys are great to work with and do superior work. I think they have more wins with aircooled engines than any aftermarket engine builder. They do good work for good prices.
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| brant |
Jan 9 2013, 04:59 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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I hear a ton of concerning things about the FAT motors
I have seen more than a few of them ventilated (blown) good to hear some are having better experiences.. I am afraid of them. |
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| wndsrfr |
Jan 9 2013, 07:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,429 Joined: 30-April 09 From: Rescue, Virginia Member No.: 10,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(wndsnd @ Jan 8 2013, 08:21 PM) QUOTE(aircooledtechguy @ Jan 8 2013, 11:14 PM) Well, the engine kit you're refering to is only comprised of a cranc, rodsand a P&C set, so that's hardley what I would consider a "kit". You would still need head$, cam, gear and lifters, pushrods and rocker assemblies, etc. Once you pay for that kit, count on another $3500 to finish off the parts needed and you'll be pretty close to having everything. Going big is not cheap!! Right but wouldn't that be the same for a 2056 and this is 2316! My 2316 is on its third crank in the two years that I've had it. The first one was provided in Jake's kit--it was a DPR QC'd by Jake and I spotted hairline cracks on it during a teardown to bump up the Compression Ratio. I sourced the second one directly from DPR after talking to Jose--turned out to be a mistake since it cracked big time last fall. So much for using the welded up VW cranks at least to the 80mm stroke for the 2316. The oil galleys simply end up too close to the journal interface with the web of the throws. Soo....I talked to DRD and FAT about the new forgings they supply. As I understand it, FAT developed the Taiwanese supplier like 20 years ago and is getting very good quality from them. I think DRD is supplying the exact same piece from the common warehouse that FAT has. I'm going to bet that EMW also is sourcing the same part as well....they all show it as $550 to $625 in price. I went with Greg at FAT as he also doweled the crank to the flywheel (5 dowels!) I've gone to JE pistons after exploding a KB into shrapnel...so far, so good. Not sure what cylinders DRD is supplying--I got a set of Chinese ones from EMW for $50 a pop, but didn't like how they looked so went with boring out a set of "seasoned" 1.8 cylinders & feel more comfortable with them. Now, if you're building a 2316, you need it to breathe really, really well. This takes Len Hoffman's heads or the equivalent, the right cam and Chris's Tangerine headers or equivalent. And add SDS injection & good sized throttle bodies & you're ready to go! It adds up.....but, when you roll into it, the push in your back and the sound will put a grin on your face that you can't wipe off with a fistful of $100 bills! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| wndsnd |
Jan 9 2013, 09:26 PM
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You wanted a horse, but got a goat. Nobody wants a goat.... Group: Members Posts: 2,861 Joined: 12-February 12 From: North Shore, MA Member No.: 14,124 Region Association: North East States |
Sounds like a nice set-up. but you change cranks like I change undies!
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