 A shift knob you don't see very often in a 914!, Sportomatic |
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| JawjaPorsche |
 Jan 17 2013, 11:52 AM
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| Kirmizi |
Jan 17 2013, 11:58 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 836 Joined: 12-February 06 From: Wyoming, US Member No.: 5,568 Region Association: None |
And in a six? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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| SirAndy |
Jan 17 2013, 12:03 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,651 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Kirmizi @ Jan 17 2013, 09:58 AM)  Most certainly. All 914 Sportomatics known today are /6s. Sportomatic was an option for /4 cars but there are no records of any of them ever being built. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| JawjaPorsche |
Jan 17 2013, 12:40 PM
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| last337 |
Jan 17 2013, 12:45 PM
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What exactly was the sportamatic transmission?
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| SirAndy |
Jan 17 2013, 12:57 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,651 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(last337 @ Jan 17 2013, 10:45 AM) What exactly was the sportamatic transmission? Search Google for Sportomatic ... Basically a manual transmission that uses a torque converter setup to shift it automatically. Sportomatics were used by VW and Porsche. In fact my very first VW Bettle was a '72 1302S Sportomatic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| JmuRiz |
Jan 17 2013, 01:01 PM
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My dad had a family sportomatic beetle when he was growing up too.
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| bembry |
Jan 17 2013, 05:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 529 Joined: 29-July 05 From: Bakersfield, CA Member No.: 4,499 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Is VW's Autostick the same as Sportomatic?
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| Steve Snyder |
Jan 17 2013, 06:02 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 241 Joined: 10-June 08 From: Graham, NC Member No.: 9,158 Region Association: South East States |
George's /6, I expect?
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| JmuRiz |
Jan 17 2013, 07:11 PM
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Didn't Peter Gregg have a sporto 911 to help train him to kelp his hand off the shifter when not changing gears?
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| Cap'n Krusty |
Jan 17 2013, 07:37 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 17 2013, 10:57 AM) QUOTE(last337 @ Jan 17 2013, 10:45 AM) What exactly was the sportamatic transmission? Search Google for Sportomatic ... Basically a manual transmission that uses a torque converter setup to shift it automatically. Sportomatics were used by VW and Porsche. In fact my very first VW Bettle was a '72 1302S Sportomatic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Uhhhhh, Andy? I'll cut you some slack, what with it being your birthday and all, but the transmission must be shifted manually. That's why you see the gears enumerated on the shifter. The torque converter allows starts in 4th gear, if you're so inclined, but you need to use all 4 gears consecutively if you want to move out with any kind of speed and dignity. Downshifting is also possible, but the engine braking effect is somewhat less than with a conventional manual transmission. The VW version was known in the US as an "Autostick", a more accurate descriptive term. BTW, I service the very last Sportomatic 911 sold to the publis. There was one more built for a member of the extended Porsche family around 1985, or so the rumor goes, and it was used in track events. They can be driven respectably fast by someone familiar with the technique. Oh, Happy Birthday! The Cap'n |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 17 2013, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Jan 17 2013, 05:37 PM) I'll cut you some slack, what with it being your birthday and all, but the transmission must be shifted manually. Well, sort of. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Compared to modern auto transmissions, the sportomatic was more of a real manual transmission that had a bunch of gizmos to do the shifting for you. You still have to move the stick on a sporto, but there is no shift-rod. It's more of a shift by wire setup. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| Pat Garvey |
Jan 17 2013, 08:01 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
My second Porsche was a '70E Sporto. It was great in city driving because you could start from any gear. Lousy on gas though.
Auto-x'd it twice, an tight circuits, with some success. Never really needed to go past second gear. It was fun (one of those cars I wish I'd never sold) and made a raukous noise with its Burch exhaust. I also rememer that the Factory used this tranny on one of the 956's, though I don't recall how it did. I'd buy one again - just DO NOT touch that shifter while driving! Pat |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 17 2013, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jan 17 2013, 06:01 PM) just DO NOT touch that shifter while driving! Or, do what i did on my Beetle sporto and put a big push button on top of the shifter and reroute the contact on the base. I know, i know, i was young ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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| Gustl |
Jan 17 2013, 11:13 PM
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| Matt Romanowski |
Jan 19 2013, 06:52 AM
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QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jan 17 2013, 06:01 PM) I also rememer that the Factory used this tranny on one of the 956's, though I don't recall how it did. Are you sure it was a Sportomatic? They used the predicessor to the PDK in a 956, but it didn't work very well. It was all mechanical. The electronics are what makes a PDK work. |
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| Millerwelds |
Jan 19 2013, 09:24 AM
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| montoya 73 2.0 |
Jan 19 2013, 08:43 PM
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Lack of consideration to others, and Selfish! Group: Members Posts: 1,791 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Paso Robles, Ca. Member No.: 3,016 Region Association: Central California |
QUOTE(bembry @ Jan 17 2013, 03:29 PM) Is VW's Autostick the same as Sportomatic? I had that same question. |
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| Bullethead |
Jan 20 2013, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 17 2013, 08:50 PM) QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Jan 17 2013, 05:37 PM) I'll cut you some slack, what with it being your birthday and all, but the transmission must be shifted manually. Well, sort of. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Compared to modern auto transmissions, the sportomatic was more of a real manual transmission that had a bunch of gizmos to do the shifting for you. You still have to move the stick on a sporto, but there is no shift-rod. It's more of a shift by wire setup. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) No, there's a shift rod. It's a manual gearbox coupled to a vacuum servo-controlled clutch... the torque converter is there to lessen shocks to the drivetrain. The shifter is directly coupled to the transmission just like any other manual. A microswitch at the base of the shifter disengages the clutch when touched, engagement is upon release which is why you keep your hand off the shifter unless you're changing gears. Good practice with a standard manual too. Jim Hall used a similar setup on the Chaparral, partly to take advantage of the multiplying effect of a torque converter, plus getting power to the ground without tearing up the tires.   I'm very familiar with these, we own two... and would love to have a 914-6 with the system. BTW, the old Troutman & Barnes pick-em-up that was beautifully restored as a safety truck by KJ started life as a Sporto!   |
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| Gustl |
Jan 20 2013, 02:43 AM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,507 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
QUOTE(Bullethead @ Jan 20 2013, 08:13 AM) BTW, the old Troutman & Barnes pick-em-up that was beautifully restored as a safety truck by KJ started life as a Sporto! are you sure about that? any evidence? anyone knows the VIN? |
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