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> ENGMAN, making his parts
02loftsmoor
post Feb 23 2013, 01:35 PM
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does any have the prints for Mark's sheet metal repair kits,, I could check with a compay that water jets parts
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post Feb 23 2013, 04:35 PM
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Why not reach out for his estate for permission first....
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post Feb 23 2013, 04:51 PM
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Why not reach out for his estate for permission first....


Thank you....
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post Feb 23 2013, 05:20 PM
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never met the man or have had any dealings, any help on contacting his estate would be helpful.. I would like to keep the Engman product name going in Marks honor.
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post Feb 23 2013, 08:52 PM
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never met the man or have had any dealings, any help on contacting his estate would be helpful.. I would like to keep the Engman product name going in Marks honor.


I have no "skin" on this other than by principal. If one simply copies Engman's product as if it was their own via R&D and with out his estate's ok.. I'm on that will not purchase your product. To me, it's like ripping him / his family off.
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post Feb 23 2013, 08:53 PM
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On the other hand. If the estate is willing to let you continue on with is work, it would be a boon to the community.
His obit was posted here last December. Here is the link to it:
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/louisvill...649#fbLoggedOut

I'd imagine that the estate would want you to buy the rights to continue making his parts. But you never know until you ask.

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post Feb 23 2013, 09:06 PM
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As a bussiness man I know how things work, I cannot believe you I would even think of RIPPING off someones name, maybe you would, If I was going to RIPP off someone do think I would post for all to see. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif)



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never met the man or have had any dealings, any help on contacting his estate would be helpful.. I would like to keep the Engman product name going in Marks honor.


I have no "skin" on this other than by principal. If one simply copies Engman's product as if it was their own via R&D and with out his estate's ok.. I'm on that will not purchase your product. To me, it's like ripping him / his family off.
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post Feb 23 2013, 09:08 PM
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Place to start. I really hate contacting someone after a passing of a young soul.
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post Feb 23 2013, 09:19 PM
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Oh man, first i heard of this. I've been off the grid for quite sometime...
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post Feb 23 2013, 09:31 PM
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It's too soon... Leave her alone.
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post Feb 23 2013, 10:08 PM
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I'm with Rob.
Give them some time.

I too believe that some one should continue on.
I'm thinking pay something for the machine drawings.
Then pay them something for each part sold.
Kind of like a royalty.

My .02c for tonight.
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post Feb 23 2013, 10:13 PM
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It's too soon... Leave her alone.

I know you guys think it is to soon and normally I would agree. However, I have seen many an opportunity missed because some decent person was waiting, giving the family time to grieve, only to have somebody else swoop in and grab the opportunity. It is a very touchy area but sometimes you just have to make that move.


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post Feb 23 2013, 10:27 PM
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I'm thinking that her grief is more important than petty toy car parts.
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post Feb 23 2013, 10:31 PM
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It may be the right time if Mark's death has left them in financial need.
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post Feb 23 2013, 10:42 PM
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i hate to say this in a hobbiest community...i have some professional experience in this area...people grieve differently and at different rates. some people are ready to talk about car parts in 2 weeks...other folks need a year. i would support you asking her...very tactfully and with a willingness to back off if she needs you to do so. good luck.

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post Feb 23 2013, 10:46 PM
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Why not just design your own? I don't see the issue here, you don't have to copy his. Just do your own thing. If you are set on this as a charitable thing THAT is another issue all together. Was he actually doing the cutting of the pieces, or out sourcing it? If he was out sourcing, than someone could step up and manage that process and they could take the royalty and leave the bulk of the proceeds to the estate, I think that is the better option. If he was doing the work himself then someone local could take it on as a side job for wages, again leaving the proceeds to the family.
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post Feb 23 2013, 10:52 PM
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Both sides of the argument have merit. I'll back track a little

Having never met the family I'd want to go thru a friend.
You right coast guys probably have a better handle on that.

Shoe's right. Many a a time. You snooze you loose.

I think if the first contact is delicate. You've got nothing to loose.
Just keep in mind that he died 20-30 years ahead of schedule.
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post Feb 23 2013, 10:55 PM
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crap dude. i can't help it: i never met the guy or had a direct (albeit electronic) conversation with him, but i've read his stuff here when doing research, anybody know what happened? i agree that he went early but the obit didn't read like a long illness like cancer or something.
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post Feb 23 2013, 10:59 PM
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I hate to sound like I don't care, because I do. That said. It's cleaner for both parties to buy the rights outright then set up some sort of pay back / royalty scheme. Too many ways for it to go bad over time.

And you buy the rights because Mark engineered some great IP. His work was well thought out and just worked. Starting from scratch means you need 5 years development before you have a full product line that is solid, and someone will come and just say "you stole Marks stuff" wether you did or did not.
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post Feb 23 2013, 11:06 PM
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I agree
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