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 Mar 3 2013, 10:47 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 6-August 11 From: Everett, Wa Member No.: 13,409 Region Association: Pacific Northwest  |
Spent the day with Dave and Eric at Triad today, what great guys! They went WAY above and beyond, helping me backdate my 75's setup, notching my rear valance, and installing their beautiful muffler. After the install I fired up the teener, and we were all disappointed to hear an exhaust leak (caused by the less than perfect h/e pipes I'd brought to do the backdating). Again, Dave and Eric went way beyond what was required of them, putting the car back up on the lift, removing half of the exhaust system they'd just installed, fixed the leak and put a smile on my face. All of this, mind you, for just the price of the muffler! Great, great guys. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
One of the other "vendors" here that builds and sells an exhast product has been making it a point to target the Triad system with comments like this, and I quote: "We had one of those in our shop recently too. There isn't anything I liked about it. IMO they're fugly, loud, and mediocre design. YMMV" I don't understand the reasoning behind this (and other similar comments made in most exhaust related threads), as this vendor's muffler is more than twice the price of the Triad, meaning that it's not really a competing product (at least as far as price is concerned). All I can figure is that he must be so frustrated trying to explain to someone why on earth they need to spend twice the money for his product, that he's resorted to "mud slinging"... It's bothersome, and as classy as Dave and Eric are, they've chosen not to reply, but I'm not that classy, so I will (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) AT ANY RATE, the Triad product looks great, SOUNDS fantastic, and unless someone could prove that "the other guy's" system put out SIGNIFICANTLY more power (and remember, we're talking about cars that only make 100-150hp to begin with, so what is "significant"an extra 7hp??) I couldn't justify spending the extra on his product. The mud slinging I saw on this site didn't help his cause either, for what it's worth. I had the money, just knew I'd rather spend it at Triad! After my experience with them today, I feel I made the right choice. Chris |
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| a914622 |
Mar 3 2013, 11:01 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 12-August 10 From: northwest Member No.: 12,048 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
No pictures it didnt happen!!
Is that you i see in the white teener coming up evergreen in the morning? I guess I will see tomorrow if its has a sweet sound putting out the back. No seriously pics? jcl |
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| McMark |
Mar 3 2013, 11:08 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Triad is great. It's a simple design, but it's effective. Recommend them regularly.
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| Rand |
Mar 3 2013, 11:39 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
I like their /4 headers with stub pipes.
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Mar 3 2013, 11:39 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 6-August 11 From: Everett, Wa Member No.: 13,409 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
@Jeff, couple poor pics, will have to get better ones another day... I've got a video too, but its taking ffffffooooorrrrreeeeeevvvvveeeeerrrrr to upload...
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i219.photobucket.com-13409-1362375559.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i219.photobucket.com-13409-1362375559.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i219.photobucket.com-13409-1362375559.3.jpg) |
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| '73-914kid |
Mar 3 2013, 11:57 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,473 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Vista, CA Member No.: 9,714 Region Association: Southern California  |
I'm sure the build quality on it is great, but its just a bunch of glasspacks.. i've heard them before, and it's not a spectacular sound, but im biased, i pretty much dislike any muffler on stock heat exchangers...
And as per the "competing exhaust designer" who i'm gonna take a shot and say it's Chris.. he builds Stainless Steel mufflers that will last forever and never burn out like the glasspack in your triad will. His is more quiet, and hell, even sounds better. Im not bashing anyone here, as mufflers on these cars are completely based on taste, and when it comes down to 5 hp, its gonna be all in your mind, but before you go doing the mudslinging yourself, compare the products for what they are, and what you get for the price in durability, and manufacturing materials... For a person who cant afford to spend a bunch of money on a stainless muffler, im sure the triad is anexcellent muffler, but dont bash someone elses product because it costs more, or because he critisied a product that costs less. |
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| OU8AVW |
Mar 4 2013, 04:32 AM
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Yacht Rigger Group: Members Posts: 1,803 Joined: 1-October 08 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 9,601 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I would like to see the technique used to modify the valance, it looks perfect.
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Mar 4 2013, 07:37 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 6-August 11 From: Everett, Wa Member No.: 13,409 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
@Mike, Dave just used a template (reversed view of the drivers side cutout), looked like it used a couple of the valance mounting holes to assure correct location, and cut it out without even needing to remove the valance from the car. Lots of practice makes perfect I would guess!
@Ethan, you know, the "frustrated with explaining the price difference thing" was just the only explanation I could come up with for why the other guy would repeatedly attack the Triad product without provocation or even a reply from the Triad guys. The other vendor has a great reputation, and is always very helpful on this board when it comes to answering questions. I'd just seen him kinda belittle the Triad (not unnoticed by the Triad guys, as THEY brought it up out of the blue during our "b.s.ing" on Sunday, asking me what the guy's problem was with them) and thought I'd address it. Price wasn't really a concern for me, but these guys are local, offered great service, and don't go around putting other people's products down, EVER. As far as longevity goes, I haven't read anything but praise for BOTH products, time will tell with the Triad setup. I'm not one to spare either praise OR criticism where it is deserved, so if I do run into an issue, know that I will make it known, to be fair. Chris |
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| ConeDodger |
Mar 4 2013, 07:55 AM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,586 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California 
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QUOTE(audio_file @ Mar 4 2013, 05:37 AM)  @Mike, Dave just used a template (reversed view of the drivers side cutout), looked like it used a couple of the valance mounting holes to assure correct location, and cut it out without even needing to remove the valance from the car. Lots of practice makes perfect I would guess! @Ethan, you know, the price thing was just the only explanation I could come up with for why the other guy would repeatedly attack the Triad product without provocation or even a reply from the Triad guys. The other vendor has a great reputation, and is always very helpful on this board when it comes to answering questions. I'd just seen him kinda belittle the Triad (not unnoticed by the Triad guys, as the brought it up out of the blue during our "b.s.ing" on Sunday, asking me what the guy's problem was with them) and thought I'd address it. Price wasn't really a concern for me, but these guys are local, offered great service, and don't go around putting other people's products down, EVER. Chris Repeatedly? I guess I've never noticed Chris ever even mention Triad. The two are entirely different products intended for different markets. So I guess your real purpose in posting this is to chastise Chris for something you perceive him to be doing? Is he not allowed to speak of them? I don't get it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) if there wasn't a problem, there is now... |
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Mar 4 2013, 08:25 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 6-August 11 From: Everett, Wa Member No.: 13,409 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Mar 4 2013, 05:55 AM) Repeatedly? I guess I've never noticed Chris ever even mention Triad. The two are entirely different products intended for different markets. So I guess your real purpose in posting this is to chastise Chris for something you perceive him to be doing? Is he not allowed to speak of them? I don't get it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) if there wasn't a problem, there is now... A simple search using the other vendor's screen name and the word Triad turns up several instances... I also agree that the two companies may be aiming for two different markets, as you can see in my OP, which is why it befuddled me to see the other vendor saying anything about Triad. If you have a problem, I'm sorry. I was just confused, and a little bit defensive for "the little guy", especially when they mentioned it to me out of the blue, and I had kinda noticed the same pattern they did in the other guy's comments about their product. I'm not mentioning specific names because I don't want to say anything bad about the other product, I don't own it, so I have no ground to besmirch it (or compliment it). I don't know the other guy, and as I've said, he seems very helpful in other regards here on the world... Chris |
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Mar 4 2013, 10:14 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,925 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(audio_file @ Mar 3 2013, 11:47 PM) One of the other "vendors" here that builds and sells an exhast product has been making it a point to target the Triad system with comments like this, and I quote: The statements were made within the context of discussions on the forum about something which I happen to have an informed opinion on. I've also made comments about items offered by PMB, JWest, PMS, Weltmeister, etc. - All based on actual experience working with those products. No "mud slinging" involved at all. I'm generally not inclined to bash other vendors but I feel free to speak up when I have an opinion about something in particular. If another vendor has a product that I'm impressed with and consider it useful on my vehicles or those of my customers I use it and I share my enthusiasm for it. But I'm not satisfied by many available products for 914s, and that's the motivation for much of my own development effort. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Mar 4 2013, 10:51 AM
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MR.C Group: Members Posts: 4,740 Joined: 19-March 08 From: Tacoma WA Member No.: 8,829 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
as classy as Dave and Eric are, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) boy have they got you buffalo`d (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) .. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ...they are a hoot though |
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Mar 4 2013, 11:18 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 6-August 11 From: Everett, Wa Member No.: 13,409 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(Racer Chris @ Mar 4 2013, 08:14 AM) QUOTE(audio_file @ Mar 3 2013, 11:47 PM) One of the other "vendors" here that builds and sells an exhast product has been making it a point to target the Triad system with comments like this, and I quote: The statements were made within the context of discussions on the forum about something which I happen to have an informed opinion on. I've also made comments about items offered by PMB, JWest, PMS, Weltmeister, etc. - All based on actual experience working with those products. No "mud slinging" involved at all. I'm generally not inclined to bash other vendors but I feel free to speak up when I have an opinion about something in particular. If another vendor has a product that I'm impressed with and consider it useful on my vehicles or those of my customers I use it and I share my enthusiasm for it. But I'm not satisfied by many available products for 914s, and that's the motivation for much of my own development effort. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Fair enough Chris, it just seemed incongruent with your usual helpfulness here. I'd noticed it, but didn't pay it much attention until my conversation with the triad guys yesterday. FWIW, Dave seemed very open to sending one of his setups to an independent tester, along with yours, if you ever wished to have numbers to support your product over theirs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Chris |
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Mar 4 2013, 11:48 AM
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914 Convert Group: Members Posts: 435 Joined: 29-September 11 From: Central Coast, CA Member No.: 13,621 Region Association: Central California |
Congratulations on your new Triad. I too run one and am very happy with it. Your support of Triad is welcomed, but the rest, in my opinion, is unwarranted. Unless, you have tried both products, your opinion regarding them is bogus. Getting into other discussions when you have no basis is just not right, none of your business and a waste of time. Dave, Eric and Chris can handle their own discussions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Mar 4 2013, 12:27 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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QUOTE(OU8AVW @ Mar 4 2013, 05:32 AM) I would like to see the technique used to modify the valance, it looks perfect. remove valance, which can be done with the bumper in place. Take a piece of poster board cardboard and lay it over the existing opening on the drivers side, make sure it covers the top of the valance, and goes to the end of the valance. Mark and cut the piece to fit the valance using the top and end of the valance, Once that fits perfectly, scribe the cutout for the existing exhaust tip. Lay your cardboard on the table and using a pair of divider, or a simple 3/8 inch spacer, draw a line that is 3/8 of an inch on the inside of your scribe line. Cut that out. Mark the other side by flipping the template over. Cut the other side. Cut the cardboard to the actual opening size (or you could easily make two templates) Using the actual size template, scribe a mark on the passenger side, on the outside of the valance. This is now your fold line where you will fold over (vice grips, hammer and dolly) the metal to create an opening that looks like the drivers side opening. You really dont want just a cut with a sharp edge, you want it to fold over like the drivers side...so its a multi step process to get it right. rich |
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| Kaduku |
Mar 4 2013, 01:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 344 Joined: 1-January 13 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 15,324 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(ww914 @ Mar 4 2013, 09:48 AM) Congratulations on your new Triad. I too run one and am very happy with it. Your support of Triad is welcomed, but the rest, in my opinion, is unwarranted. Unless, you have tried both products, your opinion regarding them is bogus. Getting into other discussions when you have no basis is just not right, none of your business and a waste of time. Dave, Eric and Chris can handle their own discussions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
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Mar 4 2013, 02:24 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 6-August 11 From: Everett, Wa Member No.: 13,409 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(Kaduku @ Mar 4 2013, 11:07 AM) QUOTE(ww914 @ Mar 4 2013, 09:48 AM) Congratulations on your new Triad. I too run one and am very happy with it. Your support of Triad is welcomed, but the rest, in my opinion, is unwarranted. Unless, you have tried both products, your opinion regarding them is bogus. Getting into other discussions when you have no basis is just not right, none of your business and a waste of time. Dave, Eric and Chris can handle their own discussions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Well, I felt that some good folks with a good product were being misrepresented and even maybe a little mistreated... I don't stand for that, you may, but I don't. I, and a few others, have told Dave not to waste his time getting involved in some Rabyesque debate, but that doesn't mean I won't stand up for them or their product when the opportunity presents itself, I consider it part of being a good human being, and a good customer. Keep in mind much of their (both Triad and Tangerine) business comes from referrals, and many folks come to places like this to look for feedback on items to help make their buying decision... |
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| scott_in_nh |
Mar 4 2013, 02:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 808 Joined: 10-December 10 From: Hampton, NH Member No.: 12,471 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(audio_file @ Mar 4 2013, 03:24 PM) Well, I felt that some good folks with a good product were being misrepresented and even maybe a little mistreated... I disagree. And now you are misrepresenting Racer Chris and Tangerine Racing who are also "good folks with a good product". Even if Chris did slight your new friends, doing so back with no other knowledge of Chris or his parts makes you guilty of the same crime. Quite a few folks with Triad exhaust also posted on that last thread and you are the only one who has a problem with Chris' comments. Remember two wrongs don't make a right, but two Wrights make an airplane! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Mar 4 2013, 03:11 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 6-August 11 From: Everett, Wa Member No.: 13,409 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(scott_in_nh @ Mar 4 2013, 12:46 PM) now you are misrepresenting Racer Chris and Tangerine Racing who are also "good folks with a good product". Quite a few folks with Triad exhaust also posted on that last thread and you are the only one who has a problem with Chris' comments. I don't think I've said anything derogatory about Racer Chris or the Tangerine product, I'm pretty sure I've stated that I'm not qualified to because I don't own it! ...I'll need to re-read what I've typed I guess... And the whole reason this was brought up was because I wasn't the only one who had a problem with what was said... "my new friends" did as well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grouphug.gif) Chris |
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Mar 4 2013, 03:18 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 6-August 11 From: Everett, Wa Member No.: 13,409 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(audio_file @ Mar 4 2013, 06:25 AM) I'm not mentioning specific names because I don't want to say anything bad about the other product, I don't own it, so I have no ground to besmirch it (or compliment it). I don't know the other guy, and as I've said, he seems very helpful in other regards here on the world... Chris Yep, theres the second time I said this same thing in my posts ^^ All I've done is GUESS at the reason why anyone would feel the need to make comments about a product THEY don't even consider a competitor.... then RacerChris posted his answer, and here we are! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Chris |
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