2013 Parade: Went over my Score Sheet, Some errors that I did not contest... Options

[TJB/914]

I'm in the middle of the registration process now as well.

I'm trying to figure out what class to put it in!?!?! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

SMI - PF03F - Full-All Series Street-Modified?? HELP A NEWBIE!!!

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Eric,
Put your GT 914-6er Chrome Yellow in full restoration along with my Chrome Yellow 4-banger. I think 914-6's & 914-4's are judged together. I just want to park next to your beauty. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)
Tom

[JFJ914]

I feel a bit silly because I cannot find the competition rules. Can anyone provide a direct link please?

Paul

No direct link, go to pca.org and log in. Scroll through menu bar at top of page: Regions/Forms & Documents/ scroll down to Parade/2012 PCR's

[Pat Garvey]

I'm in the middle of the registration process now as well.

I'm trying to figure out what class to put it in!?!?! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

SMI - PF03F - Full-All Series Street-Modified?? HELP A NEWBIE!!!

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Just pick a class that favors rear fogs!
Kidding.
I hope to be there as a spectator for a change. No competing, no judging. Relax & enjoy. Watch the judges, critique the gigs, etc. Getting too old to stress about it.

[Pat Garvey]

"plus damn it is Really in your
backyard....the expense to transport is next to nil.....
Rx

"Transport"? Drive it!!

Nothing I hate more than completing against a car that arrived on a trailer, and especially those that travel to the event on a trailer and uploaded a few miles from the site!!!

I think it would be great if all entrants were required to drive a mandatory tour the day before the event. <grin>

Sorry lost in translation...next to nil is a gallon of gas to get it there,
and one to get it back...

I know what James is talking about. There are teams, and I mean "teams", that "build" the cars for Parade concours, enclose trailer them to within a couple of mile of the event, & offload them as "driven to the event". Basically, they are cheaters. Lost to one of them the last time I competed. You'll never stop them, and a tour before the event won't help because they usually bring a cadre of lemmings to clean up.

Lessons to be learned are:
1. The big bucks will usually win, but not always.
2. Enjoy the event & know that you are the best prepared.
3. PCA Parade is the "bigs" for Porsches. Losing is still a cred.
4. Stick with your car when it's being judged! The judges only "think they know" everything about a 914. If Paterak is judging run away, unless you can trump him with doc's. If you really believe that a judge has made a mistake, talk to him. If you're convinced that you are right and can prove it - protest. Last resort & you will probably be labelled for it if you lose.
5. If you feel the judges are happy with your car, and that you may be in the running for a class win, or BOS, leave towels on the engine to keep ambient dust, etc. from accumulating. f you are called to move your car to a different area for re-judging DO NOT forget to remove those toels FIRST (ask me later how I know).
6. Enjoy the wonderful lunch provided. Make new buddies.

Nothing like it for a Porsche guy/gal.

[orthobiz]

If Paterak is judging run away, unless you can trump him with doc's.

I know Paterek from back in the 80's. I called him before buying my orange beauty, he used to work on my black car that Riley Rogers has now (long story).

Regarding my orange car: I sent him pics of the car before I bought it and he told me "no, it costs too much." I bought it anyway...

As far as the "trump with docs," does this mean a COA is an absolute must-have item? Bring all my receipts? How much will I get dinged for having installed sway bars that were not originally on the car?

Paul

[Pat Garvey]

If Paterak is judging run away, unless you can trump him with doc's.

I know Paterek from back in the 80's. I called him before buying my orange beauty, he used to work on my black car that Riley Rogers has now (long story).

Regarding my orange car: I sent him pics of the car before I bought it and he told me "no, it costs too much." I bought it anyway...

As far as the "trump with docs," does this mean a COA is an absolute must-have item? Bring all my receipts? How much will I get dinged for having installed sway bars that were not originally on the car?

Paul

Paul,

You MUST bring the COA! Original things like Monroney sticker would be good, but not mandatory. You will most likely get dinged for the stabilizers, but it shouldn't be huge and you can make up for the loss by super-detailing other areas.

Examples: Steam clean the carpets. I don't care how clean you think they are, you won't believe the dingy crud that is removed by steam cleaning.

Take q-tips and polish to the blades of the foglight grills. Easy, use a slow hand.

Remember those procto swabs you sent me? Use a couple to swab out the tailpipe at the event.

Use q-tips again to clean all dust/dirt from all vents, as well as the drids on the speaker grills..

Never, ever use Armorall for anything! There are good products out there (Griots) to maintain the patina of rubber parts. The bumper tops should be free of slick stuff and dimples. If they have dimples, contact Mikey.

Don't use anything but warm mildly soapy water on your seats, if they're vinyl. Keep the patina.

Jeez, the list goes on.......

[Jasfsmith]

If Paterak is judging run away, unless you can trump him with doc's.

I know Paterek from back in the 80's. I called him before buying my orange beauty, he used to work on my black car that Riley Rogers has now (long story).

Regarding my orange car: I sent him pics of the car before I bought it and he told me "no, it costs too much." I bought it anyway...

As far as the "trump with docs," does this mean a COA is an absolute must-have item? Bring all my receipts? How much will I get dinged for having installed sway bars that were not originally on the car?

Paul

COA is a must. All the original documentation and manuals that came (or should have). My Six being a Euro version, I had a two page sheet (several copies) typed up listing all the differences, with references to validate my claims, and yes it made a difference. Definitely be present when they judge, provide the lead judge with the info, and answer any and all the questions, and then step back.

It might well to have a white towel on hand to either throw into the judging ring, or cry into after they find dirt on the bottom of your door hing pin. <grin>

[Pat Garvey]

If Paterak is judging run away, unless you can trump him with doc's.

I know Paterek from back in the 80's. I called him before buying my orange beauty, he used to work on my black car that Riley Rogers has now (long story).

Regarding my orange car: I sent him pics of the car before I bought it and he told me "no, it costs too much." I bought it anyway...

As far as the "trump with docs," does this mean a COA is an absolute must-have item? Bring all my receipts? How much will I get dinged for having installed sway bars that were not originally on the car?

Paul

COA is a must. All the original documentation and manuals that came (or should have). My Six being a Euro version, I had a two page sheet (several copies) typed up listing all the differences, with references to validate my claims, and yes it made a difference. Definitely be present when they judge, provide the lead judge with the info, and answer any and all the questions, and then step back.

It might well to have a white towel on hand to either throw into the judging ring, or cry into after they find dirt on the bottom of your door hing pin. <grin>

Some may take what James says as a joke. It is not. A PCA Parade concours is the most hardcore there is. The judges are not necessarily looking for grime, but if they find it you get gigged. It's parts of the process of saying "my car is the best". They are bound to prove you wrong, or show you where you can improve. Everything on the topside of your 914 should be perfect - focus on that! That's where you'll score the best points.
On the underside become anal after the topside is PERFECT. Clean everything you can reaxh underside. You won't get it all because your arms are shorter than the best judge ( hated being judged by Jon Lowe because he had the arms and fingers of a pianist!).

This isn't meant to be easy! Requires committment and many hours of work to be the best - but you CAN do it! Keep focused & don't let weariness get in the way. You have the car. You have the tools.
Win it!

[Eric_Shea]

Read through everything I could and went with Modified Touring... also read that I can change before the event. Have a call into Mike Joffee to see what he suggests.

Tom - I think I need to be in a modified class (obviously). I say we play to be on a tour together or, create one of our own. "Lunch in Leland" tour??

[orthobiz]

Pat, thanks for the inspiration.
Eric, Ferg, Tom, hope to see you guys this summer.

My COA is on order tomorrow...

Paul

[TJB/914]

Read through everything I could and went with Modified Touring... also read that I can change before the event. Have a call into Mike Joffee to see what he suggests.

Tom - I think I need to be in a modified class (obviously). I say we play to be on a tour together or, create one of our own. "Lunch in Leland" tour??

Eric,
Good choice with Modified Touring class, I picked full restoration, thinking there will only be a few cars in that class. Hoping for no more than (3) cars so I can get 3rd. place. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Looking forward to seeing everyone.
Tom

[rnellums]

I'm trying to decide whether to enter mine or not. The topside is good, and the car is very original, but the underbody has scale that won't be easily remedied in time for Parade. Maybe the street class?

[orthobiz]

It is not helpful that the 2012 Salt Lake City Rules are the ones posted on the PCA site, not the new ones including the current classes for the concours. Anyone see an updated set of Concours Rules & Regs?

Paul

[Pat Garvey]

I'm trying to decide whether to enter mine or not. The topside is good, and the car is very original, but the underbody has scale that won't be easily remedied in time for Parade. Maybe the street class?

Just do it! You have to start sometime. You'll have fun too!

[orthobiz]

My Cert of Authenticity arrived. Man, is it underwhelming. Basically, intermittent wipers, the 1.8 liter motor, and Phoenix Red color.

Car is coming to my house next week no matter what. It's in the bubble storage right now and is 10 miles away, a muddy connecting road to the pole barn and then salty roads. The weather here has been atrocious.

BUT, my buddy has a car trailer and will ferry my car home next week if necessary. Then, I will have LOTS of posts and will ask for LOTS of advice. Thanking everyone in advance,

Paul

[1970 Neun vierzehn]

Paul,
You may already be anticipating this level of preparation for the Parade, but this was typical "get-ready" prior to display at the concours location...........

[1970 Neun vierzehn]

....and......

[1970 Neun vierzehn]

...and .......(this was Pat Garvey when he had a 914 that truly ran and that he really cared about) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

[orthobiz]

Thanks for the inspiration! I hope to put up some pics in the next week.

Paul

[orthobiz]

Guess I have a trailer queen. I am looking at the (finally) published rules. I thought Preservation was Preservation but there's a "low mileage" preservation group! And to make it worse, I'm in with the 356 and 911 people!!

Check it out:

"Preservation Group (Divisions 1 – 5) – This group is
for automobiles 21 model years or older and reasonably
driven. Emphasis is on preservation of the automobile,
maintained in its original condition. A
demerit is to be given for automobiles not driven to
the Parade. In addition, judging of automobiles in
this group will take into account the overall “utilization”
of the Porsche as intended by the Porsche factory.
Ownership and preservation of an automobile
with reasonable mileage shall be considered superior
to an automobile simply “stored” to avoid usual wear
encountered from normal use. Proof of authenticity
such as Kardex (build data sheet), Certificate of
Authenticity or original Monroney Label (window
sticker) is required for the automobile to be judged
and will be examined by the judges. Other documentation
may be used as proof of authenticity if, in the
opinion of the judges, such documentation substantiates
the automobile’s authenticity. In the case of
two automobiles being equal in the opinion of the
judges, length of ownership will be considered. The
judges rating for the chassis (if judging is requested)
will not be altered due to the presence of fresh road
dirt or signs of recent use.
(b.1) Preservation Group (Division 6) – Judging for
this division is to be the same as C-5.1.(b) except
that the judges are not to penalize the automobile
for not being driven to the Parade. This division
is for automobiles with less than an average of
1000 miles per model year age of automobile. No
penalties will be given for the low odometer
mileage or for the fact that these automobiles are
basically non-driven and mostly stored."