Windows mechanism, Early vs late |
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Windows mechanism, Early vs late |
914itis |
Mar 23 2013, 09:36 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
I know that the mechanism on the 75 and 76 are completely different. Can the late models fit an early door without modifications?
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Mike Bellis |
Mar 23 2013, 09:39 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
No
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914itis |
Mar 23 2013, 09:46 PM
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Dave_Darling |
Mar 23 2013, 10:02 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,990 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
The mechanism changed either very very early in the 73 model year, or in the 72-73 transition. The 75-76 winders are the same as the 73-74.
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914itis |
Mar 23 2013, 10:04 PM
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Mike Bellis |
Mar 23 2013, 10:10 PM
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DBCooper |
Mar 24 2013, 11:17 AM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
There's a thread somewhere about how to put late regulators into an early door. I was considering it because mine work badly. Didn't seem too complicated, mostly just locating one new mounting point, assuming you could assemble all the parts.
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Dave_Darling |
Mar 24 2013, 11:28 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,990 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Then I must have some pre 73 doors on my 74. If the windows don't fit well, then you might. The early mechanism uses a cable in a sheath to move the window. The later one uses a scissor-type lift. The shape of the glass is different, the seals at the top are different, and lots of other details are different. --DD |
mepstein |
Mar 24 2013, 11:32 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,279 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I think the thread - digging into hell - shows late installed into early doors
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Griffinroydonald |
Mar 24 2013, 04:09 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 21-January 10 From: Kings Mtn N.C. Member No.: 11,274 Region Association: None |
I have a bunch of window parts if you want to try.P.M. for details
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Mikey914 |
Mar 24 2013, 11:08 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,670 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
You will either need to remove the front roller metal part from your glass or get new late style glass also.
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Mikey914 |
Mar 24 2013, 11:11 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,670 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
Oh, you will also want new fuzzies for the front and rear tracks.
The early door aluminum track is shorter than the late. Not sure if you can get away with using the old one and the old end caps. Now I'm curious. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I know a guy. |
eyesright |
Mar 25 2013, 06:21 AM
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Hmmm. I took over a '70 project. I wanted late style window/winders so I bought a set of late doors from a junk yard and had them painted along with the rest of the car. I never thought about trying to adapt the late windows to the early doors. The doors weren't that expensive and I probably saved my self a lot of work, but in the future if one had a set of good early doors and bad early winders, if all the parts were available would it be worthwhile to try to convert? Hmmm.
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Griffinroydonald |
Mar 25 2013, 06:40 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 21-January 10 From: Kings Mtn N.C. Member No.: 11,274 Region Association: None |
My 1970 had mismatched doors and someone had replaced the early passenger side door with a late one. I will just replace the drivers door when we repaint. I would like to have the same style doors on both sides.
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Wegeng_Haus |
Mar 25 2013, 08:13 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 38 Joined: 10-December 11 From: Champaign Illinois Member No.: 13,881 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
914itis may be asking, can early doors be fitted to a late model 914. As far as I know, the answer is yes. I have retro fitted doors o (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) n later cars because I wanted the lighter, early doors. The cable-type regulators are a little flimsy, but with maintenance, work just fine
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914itis |
Mar 25 2013, 08:17 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
914itis may be asking, can early doors be fitted to a late model 914. As far as I know, the answer is yes. I have retro fitted doors o (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) n later cars because I wanted the lighter, early doors. The cable-type regulators are a little flimsy, but with maintenance, work just fine No, the question was if I can remove the early mechanism and replace it with the late using an early door. |
DBCooper |
Mar 25 2013, 09:27 AM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
And the answer is yes. The downside being that you're going to need to switch over a lot of parts and also weld one mounting point on the early door to fit the later mechanism. So the question is not if you can, but if it's worth the work and expense. I was going to do the same thing, but once I understood everything that was involved decided to just rebuild my current early doors.
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DBCooper |
Mar 25 2013, 09:36 AM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
Mepstein was right, it's the "Diggin into Hell" thread, here the photo of the welded in piece to mount the later mechanism in an early door (post number 568 in the thread):
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-2-1143636430.jpg) Not that big a deal, the hard part is assembling all the other different parts. The original question was can it be done "without modification", and the answer is yes it can be done, but not without modification. |
bulitt |
May 7 2013, 07:14 PM
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Achtzylinder Group: Members Posts: 4,188 Joined: 2-October 11 Member No.: 13,632 Region Association: South East States |
Ok, I swapped my late window regulators into my 70 doors this weekend.
Took about 3 hrs total. You can see the diff in the viewing windows in the door. The late door has a larger area that the regulator bolts too. Early Door (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-13632-1367705097.jpg) Late door (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-13632-1367705107.jpg) I made a cardboard template of the late regulator then traced the bolt pattern onto the early frame. Drilled out the holes, then enlarged the crank winder hole to 1-1/8 inch. Next made a template of the area I would need to weld into the early viewing hole. Cut the bracket out and bent the lower edge on a brake 90deg to stiffen the part. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-13632-1367705133.jpg) Next, welded the bracket onto the early door and bolted the regulator in. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-13632-1367705120.jpg) You can see the new locations of the bolts needed for the transplant. (blue tape) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-13632-1367705606.jpg) To finish the transplant you need late glass late vent window frame with fuzzies. Vent glass is all the same. late fuzzy to put in the rear window slider. |
914Sixer |
May 7 2013, 08:18 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,886 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Doors are the simple solution.
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