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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 3-April 13 From: Florida Member No.: 15,732 Region Association: None ![]() |
Greetings all,
I am in the process of acquiring a new to me 914. I had a 1.7 or 1.8 20 plus years ago for a few months. I have always loved the model, and hence the reason I am coming back. My question is this, I will be wanting a higher powered car. I have read a lot about VW type 1 performance engines and I think 130 to 150 hp is reliably possible for a bug. What differences are there between the VW/Porsche engines? What builders does the group recommend? What is a realistic HP goal for a weekend driver? |
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Resident Electrician ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,347 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What differences are there between the VW/Porsche engines? Money $$$$$ What builders does the group recommend? Jake Raby What is a realistic HP goal for a weekend driver? How much money do you have? |
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914 Wizard ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 11,939 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains ![]() ![]() ![]() |
if you stay with stock displacement and budget of $5K you will be about 85 - 110 hp.
if you only improve your ignition/intake/exhaust and don't rebuild your motor then you likely won't break 90hp you may be as well off building a 2056 with mcmark for nearly the same money... brant |
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Hey nice rack! -Celette ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 20,927 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I can't believe Me of all people is posting this but... It's more about handling that HP. Learn to drive the car first. Your 4 cylinder will out corner most all comers. Even higher HP cars. Really.
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Apex killer! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 24,000 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California ![]() ![]() |
I can't believe Me of all people is posting this but... It's more about handling that HP. Learn to drive the car first. Your 4 cylinder will out corner most all comers. Even higher HP cars. Really. HP is nice but I have to agree with Rick. When I had a stock engine, I still came in in the top five at most autocrosses. I could regularly beat GT2, GT3, 911 Turbos... As it comes in stock trim, the 914 is a pure momentum car. As long as you're smooth, you don't need no stinkin' HP... Now torque, that's a different bear all together and you can use all you can get. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilgrin.gif) |
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Apex killer! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 24,000 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California ![]() ![]() |
But to answer your question, if you're going to stick with the 4 cylinder, I suggest the the 2056. about 130 reliable HP with carbs, less if you go with stock EFI. The engine should last a long while and be lots of fun to drive.
McMark builds a 2056 for $5-6K that will make you smile and never let you down. |
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914 Freak! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None ![]() |
Regardless of who builds it ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)) a 2056 is an amazing engine. Sure, the HP numbers aren't staggering, but power for price, it can't be beat. It's a great street engine.
And if you have 400hp, but only use 25% of the throttle most of the time, guess what you've got? Something close to a 2056. |
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 6-June 10 From: Terre Haute Ind Member No.: 11,813 Region Association: Upper MidWest ![]() |
Greetings all, I am in the process of acquiring a new to me 914. I had a 1.7 or 1.8 20 plus years ago for a few months. I have always loved the model, and hence the reason I am coming back. My question is this, I will be wanting a higher powered car. I have read a lot about VW type 1 performance engines and I think 130 to 150 hp is reliably possible for a bug. What differences are there between the VW/Porsche engines? What builders does the group recommend? What is a realistic HP goal for a weekend driver? Attached thumbnail(s) ![]() |
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest ![]() ![]() |
Here you go ..............
Oregon PCA's first AX. Look at the 4th place car. That's a 1.7. Beat me by almost 3 seconds. We were almost dead even last year. Hmmmm. I'm thinking its a right front issue on my part. http://www.oregonpca.org/events/autocross/...w-time-results/ The EVO is the SCCA Div. Champ. Same with the Vette. The Z car is a Rat Rod with a 350 v8. But the kid is gifted. The #8 car is a Cayman S with about 100k into it. PDK and all the goodies. I'm a fresh 2056 with Bilstein's and fresh Falkens. Here's a 2056 with a pussy driving it. (me) You get one good shot of foot to the floor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gHc1y8HFWA |
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Irrelevant old fart ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None ![]() |
Here you go .............. Oregon PCA's first AX. Look at the 4th place car. That's a 1.7. Beat me by almost 3 seconds. We were almost dead even last year. Hmmmm. I'm thinking its a right front issue on my part. http://www.oregonpca.org/events/autocross/...w-time-results/ The EVO is the SCCA Div. Champ. Same with the Vette. The Z car is a Rat Rod with a 350 v8. But the kid is gifted. The #8 car is a Cayman S with about 100k into it. PDK and all the goodies. I'm a fresh 2056 with Bilstein's and fresh Falkens. Here's a 2056 with a pussy driving it. (me) You get one good shot of foot to the floor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gHc1y8HFWA Oh well, in past years a 914 was at the top of the ORPCA AX chart.....tradional in fact. No T-4 there, tho. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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bandjoey ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,934 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region ![]() |
Greetings all, I am in the process of acquiring a new to me 914. I had a 1.7 or 1.8 20 plus years ago for a few months. I have always loved the model, and hence the reason I am coming back. My question is this, I will be wanting a higher powered car. I have read a lot about VW type 1 performance engines and I think 130 to 150 hp is reliably possible for a bug. What differences are there between the VW/Porsche engines? What builders does the group recommend? What is a realistic HP goal for a weekend driver? WOW! Bob you really look good in a dress! Car looks sharp too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) |
Razorbobsr |
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 6-June 10 From: Terre Haute Ind Member No.: 11,813 Region Association: Upper MidWest ![]() |
Greetings all, I am in the process of acquiring a new to me 914. I had a 1.7 or 1.8 20 plus years ago for a few months. I have always loved the model, and hence the reason I am coming back. My question is this, I will be wanting a higher powered car. I have read a lot about VW type 1 performance engines and I think 130 to 150 hp is reliably possible for a bug. What differences are there between the VW/Porsche engines? What builders does the group recommend? What is a realistic HP goal for a weekend driver? WOW! Bob you really look good in a dress! Car looks sharp too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) You should see me in a thong and heels! My car is set up for auto/cross, koni shocks, shorted springs, wide tires and wheels, MSD ing sys, etc. I had a 911 guys drive it, he said WOW! Is that kinkda what your looking for? Bob Attached thumbnail(s) ![]() |
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Resident Electrician ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,347 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And if you have 400hp, but only use 25% of the throttle most of the time, guess what you've got? Something close to a 2056. I use 100% of my throttle... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) |
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James D. Lane ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 345 Joined: 30-November 12 From: Colorado Member No.: 15,210 Region Association: Southwest Region ![]() |
Thanks for the detail guys. I"m in the middle of rebuilding my 1.7l right now with dome top pistons. I'm eager to see how it turns out. I split the case. the bearings look fine. But I have a question. Do they have the over/under sizes stamped on them if they are non standard?
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California ![]() |
I can't believe Me of all people is posting this but... It's more about handling that HP. Learn to drive the car first. Your 4 cylinder will out corner most all comers. Even higher HP cars. Really. And still will with more horsepower, won't it? I don't like those either/or choices... unless there's no other choice. |
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