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> engine upgrade, how good is a 72 2.2T engine
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post Nov 26 2004, 12:59 PM
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I got a line on a decent 2.2T engine with the zenith carb , it is complete with 911 heat exchanger, fan and inside sheet metal for 1200$,, the base has 100K and the heads 4K, wanna replace my 1.7 d-jet ?? how many HP is it a good deal, should i jump on it
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post Nov 26 2004, 01:18 PM
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If it is a good running engine with both carbs it should be worth somewhere around $2k to $2.5k.
If it doesn't run or you can't see it run, it falls into the "core" category and is worth half that max.

BTW the most beautiful noise I have ever heard was a 2.4 liter T engine, complete with MFI and a bursh muffler.
That is what all sixes should sound like.
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post Nov 26 2004, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(Sammy @ Nov 26 2004, 11:18 AM)


BTW the most beautiful noise I have ever heard was a 2.4 liter T engine, complete with MFI and a bursh muffler.
That is what all sixes should sound like.

Nonsense.
You can't spin a T motor up high enuff to really make one sing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

2.2L T= 125 hp @ 5800 & 130 ft/lbs @ 4200.
Good price if the motor is good, but not much bang for the buck considering the cost of the swap.....just my .02.
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post Nov 26 2004, 02:23 PM
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I paid $1800 for my 2.2T, so you can't go wrong for the price.. My conversion is almost complete and hoping that my good deal engine starts and runs fine. good luck
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post Nov 26 2004, 02:54 PM
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It's a good deal if the motor is in a car, you can see it run or drive it and you can check compression. If that is the case I'd buy it and use it for the initial conversion. After you get everything sorted out I'd hunt down a nice 3.0L or 3.2L engine, swap, and then sell the 2.2T for double the price. Be sure to sell it before it comes out of the car.
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post Nov 26 2004, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(anthony @ Nov 26 2004, 01:54 PM)
It's a good deal if the motor is in a car, you can see it run or drive it and you can check compression. If that is the case I'd buy it and use it for the initial conversion. After you get everything sorted out I'd hunt down a nice 3.0L or 3.2L engine, swap, and then sell the 2.2T for double the price. Be sure to sell it before it comes out of the car.

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If you can't see it run, a $1200 'deal' can easily turn into a $5000 nightmare.

Have you built a /6 before? Your mechanical ability/experience with these engines should be taken into consideration if you can't verify the engine's running condition.
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post Nov 26 2004, 03:32 PM
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i have not seen or heard the engine running as it is quite far away,, but the friend who told me about it told me that is had the head just redone, 4 % leak down and 145 psi compression, was in a running car that had terminal rust
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post Nov 26 2004, 04:24 PM
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You can't spin a T motor up high enuff to really make one sing.


I consistently (3 years in a row) spun mine up to 3rd place in E class autocrossing with our local club... behind two well driven 87 and 88 (3.2) Carreras. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

I just took my 2.0 six for a spin yesterday and had the 3k to 6k time of my life. Proceeded to white knuckle everyone who took the passenger seat as well (damn, can't imagine how with that engine...? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) )

A short stroke engine is a blast to drive, if you know how. 5-6k is music enough to my ears. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Me agrees with the "see it run" contingent. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Nov 26 2004, 05:46 PM
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Tou-che.....I gotta admit, I didn't take my class this year.....but I was in the hunt till the 2nd to last one....but my driving sux (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ......but wait tilll next year!
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post Nov 26 2004, 07:39 PM
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2.2s are nice - you can always add an E-cam for more umpfff - I love my 2.2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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post Nov 26 2004, 07:42 PM
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the 2.2 I built for my 911 is pushing like 210+ hp...

It will make more power if I change the cam timing, dump more fuel, and spin it to 8500..

but I dont like to rebuild it every 40 hours LOL
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post Nov 26 2004, 07:56 PM
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This is wild. *everyone* is converting to the SIX and finding motors for dirt cheap. Congrats and go for it!

My one piece of advice is this: do not tear out your FOUR until you have all the conversion parts in hand and can verify that the donor motor is a good'n. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I'm almost there!

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post Nov 26 2004, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(theol00 @ Nov 26 2004, 05:39 PM)
2.2s are nice - you can always add an E-cam for more umpfff - I love my 2.2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

Can't put "E" or "Solex" cams in a T. The valves will hit the pistons, which don't have the proper pockets. The Cap'n
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Nov 26 2004, 06:35 PM)
QUOTE(theol00 @ Nov 26 2004, 05:39 PM)
2.2s are nice - you can always add an E-cam for more umpfff - I love my 2.2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

Can't put "E" or "Solex" cams in a T. The valves will hit the pistons, which don't have the proper pockets. The Cap'n

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post Nov 26 2004, 09:48 PM
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The topics says "72" 2.2t. Check the engine number if it is a 72 it will be a 2.4 . Euro 2.4 T,s had zenith carbs . More torque longer stroke.
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post Nov 26 2004, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Nov 26 2004, 06:24 PM)
I consistently (3 years in a row) spun mine up to 3rd place in E class autocrossing with our local club... behind two well driven 87 and 88 (3.2) Carreras. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

Yeah, but you don't know any better.

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post Nov 26 2004, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Nov 26 2004, 10:35 PM)
Can't put "E" or "Solex" cams in a T. The valves will hit the pistons, which don't have the proper pockets. The Cap'n

Sure, they'll hit... for a while.


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post Nov 27 2004, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Nov 26 2004, 06:35 PM)
Can't put "E" or "Solex" cams in a T. The valves will hit the pistons, which don't have the proper pockets. The Cap'n

izzat just for the 2,2 ? 'cause my 2,0 914.6 has E cams... i didn't think they'd uprated to E pistons too...

someday i'm going to hafta open that engine and see what's in it, really...

i know there are E cams in my 2,2 - but it's an E :-) ...

in the event they are not serviceable, can i run Solex cams with S pistons ?
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post Nov 27 2004, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 26 2004, 06:56 PM)
This is wild. *everyone* is converting to the SIX and finding motors for dirt cheap. Congrats and go for it!

My one piece of advice is this: do not tear out your FOUR until you have all the conversion parts in hand and can verify that the donor motor is a good'n. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I'm almost there!

KT

as the 911s get older and cheaper, this is going to keep on happening since it's normally a better bang for the buck for those guys to upgrade to the larger /6 motors.

pre-73 911s with 3.6 motors probebly out number 914's w/3.6s by about 10:1 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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I think a lot of "early" 911 owners are considering larger engines for their light weight rides. (I know both Rich and myself are...). Kinda like a lot 914 owners are looking for bigger 4's or 6's for their rides. This may be why there's a bunch of $1200-1500 T motors out there (there was a buttload of 911T's made). I think as the SC's and earlier Carreras (85-87) get cheaper it's becoming viable. The early 911's are actually getting "more" expensive. Would you do a $7-8k rebuild on your stock "T" motor or would you buy a hard to kill 3.0 or 3.2 for $5-6k (for a good running one) and have close to 200 factory hp on tap? (how? by putting an early exhaust and Webers on an 3.0SC motor, you'll be just over 200hp)

I love short strokes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

My favorite short stroke motor build is Euro 90mm RS pistons on a 66mm crank. Rebush the rods to get the compression back up (so your chains aren't too loose). S-cams and Webers. This should give you a 210hp, 2.5L fun machine. Excellent for a 914-6/GT clone! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

Cap'n Party Pooper's right.

sixnotfour is right.

Miles is right.

J P is incorrect... AI AM NOTTTTTTTT TOUCHIE. YA GOT IT!? IM NOT, IM NOT, IM NOT, IM NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

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