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> welding helmut, any difference between these 2 ??
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post Aug 9 2013, 06:57 AM
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except for $100 price difference??
any other helmuts in the $150 price range that are better?
speedglas being a scottyb favorite I believe.
I could get blue flame at harbor freight for $40 but I feel I will regret it sooner than later.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-SPEEDGLAS-100V-...=item20b6cdc3ca

http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/3m-speedgl...27-p-19494.aspx
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post Aug 9 2013, 08:10 AM
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How much are your eyes worth?

I will only buy a name brand mask. The one I use is a Lincoln. Maybe off brands are OK and I have a false sense of security paying for a known brand.
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post Aug 9 2013, 08:15 AM
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Wait till the first time you try welding with a Harbor Freight special and end up with welders flash. Not a big deal... if you don't mind sunburns on your retinas and a couple days without sleep.
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post Aug 9 2013, 08:46 AM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) I'd like to know also, Jim. I have the HF one and have done a lot of welding with it w/o flash burn but I've always wondered if I would be able to "see" better with a quality mask. Presently (and remember I'm 62) I need to illuminate the area I am welding to see well enough to watch my "puddle" and I always wonder if a quality mask would change that. Anyone local that would let me try their mask? I'd love to know. Hi-Jack over. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)
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post Aug 9 2013, 08:50 AM
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i like my speedglass. had it for over 10 years. if I get a new helmet, i will get a miller elite with bigger window and better head strap suspension

NO HARBOUR FREIGHT HELMET
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post Aug 9 2013, 08:51 AM
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THE better head strap deal bothers me more than teh need for bigger viewing area
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I've been using an Eastwood brand helmet. It was definitely a big step up from the old fixed shade style. I'm sure it's made in China like most cheap ones. I wear reading glasses for better vision of the weld point as well. I've not had any discomfort, but my eyes get checked professionally for other reasons. I'm sure the better helmets have a faster flash reaction time that may or may not be perceivable by some. Real test documentation would be helpful to substantiate the claims.
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post Aug 9 2013, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(76-914 @ Aug 9 2013, 10:46 AM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ..... but I've always wondered if I would be able to "see" better with a quality mask. Presently (and remember I'm 62) I need to illuminate the area I am welding to see well enough to watch my "puddle" and I always wonder if a quality mask would change that. Anyone local that would let me try their mask? I'd love to know. Hi-Jack over. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)



QUOTE(okieflyr @ Aug 9 2013, 11:08 AM) *

I wear reading glasses for better vision of the weld point as well. I've not had any discomfort, but my eyes get checked professionally for other reasons. I'm sure the better helmets have a faster flash reaction time that may or may not be perceivable by some. Real test documentation would be helpful to substantiate the claims.



I use a Lincoln, they come up for sale every so often.
I also use a "cheater glass" you can get them in different powers.

Quick google search found this to show you what a cheater glass is:
http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merchant..._Code=LNS-MXXXX
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post Aug 9 2013, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Aug 9 2013, 08:17 AM) *

QUOTE(76-914 @ Aug 9 2013, 10:46 AM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ..... but I've always wondered if I would be able to "see" better with a quality mask. Presently (and remember I'm 62) I need to illuminate the area I am welding to see well enough to watch my "puddle" and I always wonder if a quality mask would change that. Anyone local that would let me try their mask? I'd love to know. Hi-Jack over. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)



QUOTE(okieflyr @ Aug 9 2013, 11:08 AM) *

I wear reading glasses for better vision of the weld point as well. I've not had any discomfort, but my eyes get checked professionally for other reasons. I'm sure the better helmets have a faster flash reaction time that may or may not be perceivable by some. Real test documentation would be helpful to substantiate the claims.



I use a Lincoln, they come up for sale every so often.
I also use a "cheater glass" you can get them in different powers.

Quick google search found this to show you what a cheater glass is:
http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merchant..._Code=LNS-MXXXX

I didn't 'splain this properly. I wear some strong reading glasses when I weld but the view is too dark w/o additional lighting. If I turn it down to "9" so I can see better I end up seeing "stars" when I'm finished.
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post Aug 9 2013, 09:41 AM
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my wife turned me on to CHEATER GLASSES and wow - now I am seeing stuff I never saw before - this has its pluses and minuses : )

cheaters for the helmet itself - sounds nice.


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post Aug 9 2013, 09:43 AM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) I'd like to know also, Jim. I have the HF one and have done a lot of welding with it w/o flash burn but I've always wondered if I would be able to "see" better with a quality mask. Presently (and remember I'm 62) I need to illuminate the area I am welding to see well enough to watch my "puddle" and I always wonder if a quality mask would change that. Anyone local that would let me try their mask? I'd love to know. Hi-Jack over. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)


I have the same issue; can't see for sh*t (I'm 64). I understand that there are magnifying lenses available, but I haven't checked with my local welding supplier yet. I too have an HF helmet, and bought it only after I checked out the specs. Interestingly, the response time for auto-darkening HF brand was much faster than most name brand helmets. Prior to that, I used a Lincoln fixed lens type.
Only thing I don't like about the auto-darkeing ones, is that you have to be careful when maneuvering around obstructions that could shield the sensor....talk about a nasty surprise!

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guess speedglas at $154, minus $40 rebate, $114 total, is it
http://store.cyberweld.com/3mspweheiceh.html

I do see that miller has 9.22 viewing area vs speedglas 6.05 sq in - link
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/MILLER-EL...0130809154327:s

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THE better head strap deal bothers me more than teh need for bigger viewing area
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post Aug 9 2013, 09:55 AM
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except for $100 price difference??
any other helmuts in the $150 price range that are better?
speedglas being a scottyb favorite I believe.
I could get blue flame at harbor freight for $40 but I feel I will regret it sooner than later.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-SPEEDGLAS-100V-...=item20b6cdc3ca


I believe this is the same helmet I have. I LOVE it. The cheater lenses are awesome. Cheap and work great for us guys with bad eyes. . .

As others have said, do not go cheap on a helmet; you only have one set of eyes
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Optrel! Love dem!
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this one looks like $114 after $40 rebate ??

http://store.cyberweld.com/3mspweheiceh.html
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post Aug 9 2013, 10:44 AM
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I have an Optrel that replaced my HF helmet. The true test was when I went back to the HF helmet for a session after using the Optrel for a long time and realized just how terrible the HF helmet is.

Shopping for a new Optrel now that I have two people in house doing the welding.
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I have the HF one and it works OK, but the head strap is shit. The connection to the mask broke soon after I bought it, and the mask will not stay in place. I am going to invest in a better helmet. I have gotten flashed before using the HF helmet and yes, it sucks. Maybe my welds will pretty up if I get a better helmet. I used whatever Zach had at his garage and it was fine. No idea what brand. The one you post looks like a good deal. Thanks!
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post Aug 9 2013, 11:21 AM
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I have a Rhino large view auto darkening, got it as a gift, had some good reviews so I kept it, but haven't used it yet. Been using the basic Lincoln helmet that I bought with my welder.....years ago, guess I need to give the new one a try.

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I bought an auto-darkening helmet a few years ago but will probably upgrade soon. I don't like trusting what is left of my eyesight to a cheap helmet.
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Speedglas SUCKS. I got retina burn from using their helmets and returned the overprice POS.

I've used a Jackson EQC for the past 13 years and it has been 100% reliable. Try before you buy if possible. Each AD helmet is just a little different. Some have no adjustment, some have shade adjustment, some have sensitivity adjustment. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)
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