CptTripps' Restoration 2 - The Grey Matter Build, Back in Doug’s garage Options

[theer]

Hey 914World,

we'll keep this thread going right here. Just spent the weekend driving to Ohio and back (from the Boston area) to close the deal. The car is staying at Scott's to finish up over the next 4-5 months.

The project is in pieces right now, but everything looks amazing. 90% done and 90% left to go. Stay tuned. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

There will be a few changes in direction from Doug's vision, but really nothing major.

Specifically, I'm going back to stock for the dash. So, now I need the whole dash assembly, including the metal frame, top pad, knee pad, vents, etc. Let me know what you've got.

Tom

[Amenson]

I am on the cusp of finally putting some proper rubber under the PorSTI so I took the opportunity to work on the suspension on Grey for a bit to get a feel of how much space is available under the flares.

First step was to get the car down to ride height.

I pulled the springs in the rear and found that they did not sit in the spring cups very well. The OD is ~5mm larger than what the upper cups want to hold.



The lower spring perch works but the spring is pretty loose. Also, there was an odd spacer under it sitting on the clip that locks in the groove on the shock body.



Anyone have any thoughts?

In the front I needed to clock the torsion bars by one spline. The Driver side did not want to come out of the control arm. I got it out and found why it was being difficult. The front of the control arm was open. Looks like the end cap was pushed out at some point.



Looks like it could just be a welch plug. Is this part available?

Working off the lift with no rear springs makes it very easy to play with ride height. I think it looks pretty good right there.



Driver side is rubbing on the inside and the passenger is rubbing on the fender lip but they will fit. Will trim the fender lip to give some additional room and will probably need to adjust the spacer's once it is aligned.

Cheers,
Scott

[914forme]

Yes the front plug is available.

http://www.sierramadrecollection.com/911-9...-89-p27259.html

Stoddard has them

Part number 900.040.008.01
Did you string Gray to see if the tow is out of wack, I think it is. But I would open up the lip like the factory did.

That spring is not right for the hat, the spring sits inside of the stock hat. Heck, I would convert it over to a set of 2.25 or 2.5 inch springs, with different hats and if it was me different collars though if you don't need to corner balance, then the stock system does work just fine. Makes me wonder if someone did not cut a stock spring, as they do wind tighter at the top to fit the stock hat. They where not installed upside down?

[Amenson]

That spring is not right for the hat, the spring sits inside of the stock hat. Heck, I would convert it over to a set of 2.25 or 2.5 inch springs, with different hats and if it was me different collars though if you don't need to corner balance, then the stock system does work just fine. Makes me wonder if someone did not cut a stock spring, as they do wind tighter at the top to fit the stock hat. They where not installed upside down?

The springs are Weltmeister SP180's.



According to the internets they are for the 914 but I can't find any mention of special upper hats? I called the number on the Weltmeister website and was routed to Eckler's!? Nobody picked up.

Anybody install these springs and remember if the stock hats worked?

Cheers,
Scott

[mepstein]

Mine are also Weltmeister SP180's and they seem to fit fine with the stock 914-4 top hat. But mine are not yet compressed, just loosely assembled.

[Amenson]

Mine are also Weltmeister SP180's and they seem to fit fine with the stock 914-4 top hat. But mine are not yet compressed, just loosely assembled.

Thanks for the feedback. Maybe the top hat is odd on Gray. Will you measure the OD of your top hat?

[mepstein]

Mine are also Weltmeister SP180's and they seem to fit fine with the stock 914-4 top hat. But mine are not yet compressed, just loosely assembled.

Thanks for the feedback. Maybe the top hat is odd on Gray. Will you measure the OD of your top hat?

11.2 mm OD
10.6 mm ID

[914forme]

i'll bring another set of hats with me so you can compare them to the ones on gray, and an extra set of old eyes, maybe we can figure these out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[Amenson]

Thanks for the feedback. Maybe the top hat is odd on Gray. Will you measure the OD of your top hat?

11.2 mm OD
10.6 mm ID

That matches Gray's top hat...must be the springs.

Spring ID 87.5mm OD 111.2mm

Can you compare against your spring.

[mepstein]

Thanks for the feedback. Maybe the top hat is odd on Gray. Will you measure the OD of your top hat?

112 OD
106 mm ID

That matches Gray's top hat...must be the springs.

Spring ID 87.5mm OD 111.2mm

Can you compare against your spring.

Spring 106mm OD, 80mm ID.

[Amenson]

With Mark's measurement and an on site consultation (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) with Stephen, the conclusion is that the spring OD is too large...very strange.

Cheers,
Scott

[mepstein]

I just got mine from a member here. There was at least one more world member that offered me a set for $80. Paragon also sells the springs.

[Amenson]

I just got mine from a member here. There was at least one more world member that offered me a set for $80. Paragon also sells the springs.

I may have just ordered a Rebel rear coil over setup for the PorSTI this morning so there will be a nice set of springs kicking around the garage soon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

[theer]

I claim first dibs on Scott's soon-to-be extra springs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sunglasses.gif)

[914forme]

I just got mine from a member here. There was at least one more world member that offered me a set for $80. Paragon also sells the springs.

I may have just ordered a Rebel rear coil over setup for the PorSTI this morning so there will be a nice set of springs kicking around the garage soon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

Good Choice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) BTW, Jegs carries QA1 Powder Coated Springs, great quality , very low prices, and local to you. I can tell you to pick your length wisely. And if Rebel does not get them to you soon enough to make your goal for PORSTI and a trip, then let me know, I have a set sitting on the bench never used that we can trade, as I am sure you will need them before I need them on my EG swap.

Back to normal "Grey" conversations now.

I still love the color of this car overtime I see it.

[mgp4591]

That spring is not right for the hat, the spring sits inside of the stock hat. Heck, I would convert it over to a set of 2.25 or 2.5 inch springs, with different hats and if it was me different collars though if you don't need to corner balance, then the stock system does work just fine. Makes me wonder if someone did not cut a stock spring, as they do wind tighter at the top to fit the stock hat. They where not installed upside down?

The springs are Weltmeister SP180's.



According to the internets they are for the 914 but I can't find any mention of special upper hats? I called the number on the Weltmeister website and was routed to Eckler's!? Nobody picked up.

Anybody install these springs and remember if the stock hats worked?

Cheers,
Scott

I've got the same issue with mine - Weltmeister 180s and the stock tops don't work. I've been looking a bit and haven't found an answer or any mention of it til now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

[Amenson]

I've got the same issue with mine - Weltmeister 180s and the stock tops don't work. I've been looking a bit and haven't found an answer or any mention of it til now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

Yard art? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Sad but there is not much else that can be done with them.

[mgp4591]

I've got the same issue with mine - Weltmeister 180s and the stock tops don't work. I've been looking a bit and haven't found an answer or any mention of it til now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

Yard art? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Sad but there is not much else that can be done with them.

A little heat and flare out the lip, weld on a couple of retaining tabs and problem solved? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

[matthepcat]

Anything new going on here?

[theer]

As a matter of fact.. yes, there is.

Scott will be re-starting the build in the near future. Stay tuned.