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> So I rode a 205HP VMax today...., Got me thinkin
Tilly74
post Aug 21 2013, 02:36 PM
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Anyone ever put a larger displacement motorcycle engine in a 914? The VMax features a compact v-4 that makes 197bhp, 123 lb/ft torque and will peel your face off. Obviously it weights a lot less, but then I got to thinking about other options. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) We just got a Triumph Rocket III in stock and it's a 2.3 litre inline 3 cylinder. Makes 146 bhp and 163 lb/ft torque. Both motors are pretty compact and feature a shaft drive 6-speed transmission.

I think the transmission mating would be the most difficult, but what about adapting the motorcycle transmission somehow? I picture connecting the drive shaft to a rear differential of some sort. Or...if you could mate the shaft drive from the bike somehow to the 901, you could essentially have 30 different gearing combinations. All I would do is mount a hand clutch somewhere, maybe near where the rear brake is, and replace the heater lever with a simple hand shifter that would link to the bike's transmission. You could ALWAYS have the right gear, but you might need an extra hand or two, or a co-driver to manage the second transmission lol.

One major benefit would be the lighter weight and the smaller radiator size, which might be able to be placed in a wheel well or somewhere besides the front trunk.

This sounds crazy and over engineered to me, and probably not worth the effort, but I'm 27 and I'll hopefully be involved with teeners for the next 73 years (assuming I make it to 100, which is my goal), so I've got plenty of time to become a car building pioneer lol. Feel free to poke as many holes in this plan as you like. Won't hurt my feelings a bit.

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post Aug 21 2013, 04:42 PM
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The engines typically have very little low end torque, which makes them difficult to drive, the transmissions have no reverse gear, and they rip your face off because they are in a much much much lighter vehicle. The owners of bike engined lotus 7 based cars even comment that the engines dont have that much torque for that 1300lb car... Add another 800lbs and your looking at an even worse situation.

Your much better off with a car based build.
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The engines typically have very little low end torque, which makes them difficult to drive, the transmissions have no reverse gear, and they rip your face off because they are in a much much much lighter vehicle. The owners of bike engined lotus 7 based cars even comment that the engines dont have that much torque for that 1300lb car... Add another 800lbs and your looking at an even worse situation.

Your much better off with a car based build.


Exactly right. I have a Seven replica as well as motorcycles so know both, and there's no way in hell I'd put a V-Max or any other moto engine into a 914. Even the Seven replica is 1150 lbs with engine and transmission. You could get that down to 900 lbs with a motorcycle engine/transmission, maybe less, but you'd still be down torque. I saw a rear-engine Mini conversion in the U.K., an almost all plastic car with a Hayabusa motor in the back that probably weighed 800 lbs. That would work. If you can get your 914 down to 800 lbs that would work too, but good luck with that, and even so it wouldn't last long pushing that much weight around.


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Tilly74   So I rode a 205HP VMax today....   Aug 21 2013, 02:36 PM
siverson   Lots of Lotus 7 type cars use motorcycle engines.....   Aug 21 2013, 02:55 PM
Ferg   Motorcycles converted into trikes are using IRS re...   Aug 21 2013, 03:18 PM
Tilly74   kind of like this one from a t-bird super coupe......   Aug 21 2013, 03:33 PM
02loftsmoor   WOW that looks like a lot of work.. and not much R...   Aug 21 2013, 03:51 PM
Tilly74   Or stick with the trailing arm suspension and use ...   Aug 21 2013, 03:56 PM
BKLA   GSXR 1000 powered fiat X1/9 http://www.youtube.co...   Aug 21 2013, 04:09 PM
Andyrew   The engines typically have very little low end tor...   Aug 21 2013, 04:42 PM
DBCooper   The engines typically have very little low end to...   Aug 21 2013, 05:17 PM
Rand   Why do people fail to realize the weight differenc...   Aug 21 2013, 05:22 PM
rdauenhauer   Ahem....Goldwing! 1800cc flat 6 118hp / 167 tq...   Aug 21 2013, 05:48 PM
brant   What does the fiat weigh? I've always heard t...   Aug 21 2013, 06:05 PM
BKLA   What does the fiat weigh? I've always heard ...   Aug 21 2013, 06:30 PM
brant   What does the fiat weigh? I've always heard...   Aug 21 2013, 08:08 PM
hot_shoe914   I say put TWO V-Max engines in there and hang on. ...   Aug 21 2013, 07:48 PM
Tilly74   I'm very aware of the weight difference betwee...   Aug 21 2013, 09:47 PM
DBCooper   I'm very aware of the weight difference betwe...   Aug 22 2013, 09:41 AM
jhadler   I'm very aware of the weight difference betwe...   Aug 23 2013, 02:46 PM
brant   I would expect the strength of the gears to be vas...   Aug 21 2013, 09:53 PM
Tilly74   I would expect the strength of the gears to be va...   Aug 21 2013, 10:03 PM
messix   google the busa Miata.... the use the gear reduct...   Aug 21 2013, 10:14 PM
messix   http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/...e-Thi...   Aug 21 2013, 10:27 PM


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