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| d7n7master |
  Dec 14 2004, 12:58 AM
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Gary#  Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421  |
Hi All,
I'm sooo pissed!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Okay. Call me slow. Guilty. Bought a 2165cc from JCS QUALITY AIR COOLED ENGINES - about a year ago. When I pulled the old engine I steam cleaned the engine bay - and my "rust-free" teener, without her panties on looked like HELL HOLE - HELLO. So I kind of got side tracked taking care of anything I could grind, repair & coat with por-15 - I got a 'lil crazy + I said I was slow. Fast forward: I've got some "free time" today, so I decided I should put my beer down & drill & tap the heads of my "new" 2165 that DOESN'T have vent tubes. BTW - Purchased from JCS in Irwindale, Ca. just about a year ago. Never been run - I said I was slow! They assure you that they have "pre-run" the engine and it has met with their q.c. standards, blah, blah, blah... Removed v/c's, to prep heads for vent instl. & this is what I saw. I'm sooo pissed. First pic of Cyl. Head 1/2. Second pic of 3/4. Can you effing believe this??? Looks like $hit to me. WTF should I do? What? Buyer be aware of "junk"??? I feel kind of bad 'cause it's been a year & this is the first time I've pulled the v/c's. FUCK THAT!!! I should have pulled the f'ing covers when they delivered the SOB!!! Damn I'm soooo pissed. Am I rambling!!! More (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) 
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| mattillac |
Dec 14 2004, 01:15 AM
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robots! Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: 27-October 04 From: vallejo,ca Member No.: 3,020 |
hey! wait a second. i thought you said new. oh, wait...i missed the " ". as my friend would say, that's weak sauce.
how much did that motor run you. what does the rest of it look like? did you look at the bottom end yet? |
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| d7n7master |
Dec 14 2004, 01:15 AM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
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| Rusty |
Dec 14 2004, 09:16 AM
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914 Guru Group: Admin Posts: 7,973 Joined: 24-December 02 From: North Alabama Member No.: 6 Region Association: South East States 
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Uhhhh... what am I missing?
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| Root_Werks |
Dec 14 2004, 09:29 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,730 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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I am no machinest, but those parts look like they got some miles on them. Also, is that the retaining wire I see off to the left on the second pic? Been a while since I have seen the inside of a T4 vc, but that doesn't look right. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
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| SLITS |
Dec 14 2004, 09:44 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
It's hard to tell, but I think he is referring to the sludge buildup on the rocker shafts & possibly the rockers or there are spacers..'cause I don't see springs.
OR he's referring to the cleanliness of the rocker box looking as if it was never run. If the engine was shipped, they had to clean the oil out of it....otherwise it would be a "hazardous shipment". If it were run for a short time, it would still be "clean"...specially after sitting a year....pull the strainer screen and see if there is oil there. Now, splain yerself!! |
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| Aaron Cox |
Dec 14 2004, 09:49 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,542 Joined: 1-February 03 From: Corona, CA Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
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| rhodyguy |
Dec 14 2004, 09:52 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,248 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
at a minimum they could have put in new adjusters. those look pretty galled up on my end.
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| 94teener |
Dec 14 2004, 09:58 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 209 Joined: 6-February 04 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 1,636 |
What am I missing? What do you find wrong?
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| machina |
Dec 14 2004, 10:02 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,030 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Miami Beach, FL Member No.: 848 |
Never heard of JCS, but what did you pay for that rig?
If it was one of those deals like I have seen on e-bay for $1,250 for the whole motor, then what did you expect? At least its clean. |
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| ChrisFoley |
Dec 14 2004, 10:12 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,990 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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The only thing I see wrong is the v/c gasket in the first pic.
I see spring shims and solid rocker spacers, so they are definitely rebuilt. |
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| d7n7master |
Dec 14 2004, 11:18 AM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
Sorry. I'm a bit calmer now. I'll try to clarify my problem/bitch.
I only opened the v/covers to prep for venting the heads. No big deal. A 'lil drill & tap. Had my duct tape, grease & seran wrap to keep the metal shavings out of places it just doesn't belong... I'm ready - I popped the v/c for cyl's 1 & 2. Looks good. Then I popped the v/c for clyl's 3 & 4. This is what I saw: The nylock self-locking nuts that attach the rocker lever assy do not seat. So is this a question of stud length or geometry? The nylock portion of the nut is ABOVE the studs. That's not gonna work too well. In my experience, when you build airplanes, stud protrusion is suppose to be between 1 & 3 threads - that's ABOVE the f'ing stud with the nut properly torqued!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) So, short studs??? Geometry??? One or two more thing's I didn't mention before. Yes, it's a rebuilt longblock that they say they run for break-in, compression/leak check. I ordered it as a remanufactured 2165cc with a Webcam - D-Jet compatable hydraulic cam/lifters from http://www.importmotor.com Here's a hopefully more helpful pic. Thanks again & !@#$%^&*, just venting... Attached image(s) 
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| Aaron Cox |
Dec 14 2004, 11:21 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,542 Joined: 1-February 03 From: Corona, CA Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
they werent supposed to use nylocks.... the nuts are standard 11mm nuts and mine havea only a thread or 2 above the nut...
calm down....have a beer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) and get some new nuts |
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| d7n7master |
Dec 14 2004, 11:34 AM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
Thanks Aaron, I'll have that beer now & but I think your missing my point. For 3G's - I'm pissed. That's bullshit. Would YOU have built an engine like that??? I didn't think so. It's a rebuild. Longblock complete (supposedly) to my specs. I shouldn't have to split the case to check their work. But when you find one thing wrong... what else did they shortcut???
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| ChrisFoley |
Dec 14 2004, 12:01 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,990 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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The nylock portion doesn't add any strength, just vibration resistance. The working part of the nuts have the correct thread engagement. It looks like there are wavy(?) washers under the nuts which will give the required vibration resistance anyway.
Yeah, they used the wrong nuts. I think you are over-reacting, but if you want, take off the nylocks and install regular 7mm nuts from the hardware store. If the washers aren't wavy style get some at the hardware store at the same time as you get the nuts. You can make sure they didn't overtighten them as well for peace of mind. |
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| d7n7master |
Dec 14 2004, 12:50 PM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
I agree with you Chris. Maybe I am over reacting. But here's a pic of one side & then the other. Why would they not have the same stud protrusion???
I just don't get it... Nice pic: Attached image(s) 
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| d7n7master |
Dec 14 2004, 12:52 PM
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Gary# Group: Members Posts: 663 Joined: 13-March 03 From: The O.C, Ca. Member No.: 421 |
Not nice pic:
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| Joe Ricard |
Dec 14 2004, 01:26 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Can't see in the pics but is there spacers under the rockers? maybe on one side not the other? I agree for that money should have been right. Yes it make the whole motor suspect.
Guess Jake will be jumping in soon. |
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| nebreitling |
Dec 14 2004, 01:59 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
ahh, just run it. see how long it goes, and be happy.
if it gives you even a year of happy motoring, then consider yourself lucky. my 02 |
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| Aaron Cox |
Dec 14 2004, 02:01 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,542 Joined: 1-February 03 From: Corona, CA Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(nebreitling @ Dec 14 2004, 12:59 PM) ahh, just run it. see how long it goes, and be happy. if it gives you even a year of happy motoring, then consider yourself lucky. my 02 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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