OT: SVX Syncro Westy, Finally on the road Options

[PanelBilly]

Where do we line up for rides?

[mepstein]

" I can't even imagine what this engine must feel like in a 914."

I hope to find out in the near future (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[KELTY360]

Beautiful man. Beautiful. You did that right. Love the polished intake.

I'm..... going out to the garage... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Thanks Chris, I've been following your build and am impressed with the issues you've overcome. Would love to ride in a 914-svx. The low end torque is monstrous. You'll probably never use 1st gear.

Thank you Marc! There's much more to do but it's been fun so far. I've had a lot of help and advice from the gurus. When I finish it you are most welcome to a ride/drive.

I hear a road trip coming on!

The engine is surprisingly compact for packing such a punch. Here it is getting shipped off to the converter. Check out that beautiful s/s exhaust. It was made by a custom exhaust shop that also does a lot of Porsches near here.

[KELTY360]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) No more downshifting for the inclines. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

No downshifting going around corners. 3rd gear is like putting it in Drive. I'll probably have to drop down to 3rd for the steep stuff on the highway because I had a taller 4th put in, but I should still be able to do 65-70 (taller 3rd also).

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Maybe I'll make a run up to Snoqualmie Pass today just to see.

Well, I was wrong. Made a run over the pass this afternoon and never had to downshift. Crested the pass at 70, with the pedal on the floor. That same stretch requires a downshift to 2nd in a waterboxer. Most of the run up the pass I had to back off to keep it under 80. The best thing about the power is that it brings out the outstanding handling characteristics of the Vanagon. Tight, responsive and predictable. Makes the rolling brick a joy to drive.

Thanks for all the great comments; buses and teeners just seem to go together...bone stock or hot rods. Love this place.

[Chris H.]

Saw this on Pelican....let's take it down a notch Marc...it's only day 1... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Your engine pic just gave me an idea for how to solve the issue with a couple of the breather hoses for my intake. Sweet! Who made that intake setup for you? Very nice looking. That's harder than it seems to construct and you can't use the stock one, especially in a Vanagon.

[KELTY360]

Saw this on Pelican....let's take it down a notch Marc...it's only day 1... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Your engine pic just gave me an idea for how to solve the issue with a couple of the breather hoses for my intake. Sweet! Who made that intake setup for you? Very nice looking. That's harder than it seems to construct and you can't use the stock one, especially in a Vanagon.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) Hey, a guy's gotta play!

The intake was done by Rocky Mountain Westy. This was their early version. The tube at the throttle bodies is flattened on the back to provide clearance at the firewall. They do some amazing fabrication of conversion parts and Westy accessories. I've been in their shop and was really impressed with their jig building and attention to detail. If you call them, tell Mike I said hi.

[Dr Evil]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) One of my all time favorites. Nice to see one completed and so well.

[DBCooper]

Really impressive van, congrats. After reading this thread I immediately checked all Craigslists within 350 miles for Synchro Westies. I guess they're pretty rare, none here anyway.

[Chris H.]

I did the SAME THING. There are some on The Samba.

This one seems perfect after further inspection....it has potential if the price is right.....:

Westy no engine

Go for it DB!

[KELTY360]

Really impressive van, congrats. After reading this thread I immediately checked all Craigslists within 350 miles for Synchro Westies. I guess they're pretty rare, none here anyway.

Thanks. I've read they only imported about 1600 Syncro Westies to N. America. Mine is actually a Canadian model so it has some quirks - go figure. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

I searched The Samba and all the western hot spots on Craigslist: Seattle, Portland, Bay Area, LA, OC, San Diego, Phoenix, Denver and SLC. Took a few months to find what I was looking for; it was in the Bay Area. Be aware that Syncro is spelled without an 'h' when you're searching.

[KELTY360]

I did the SAME THING. There are some on The Samba.

This one seems perfect after further inspection....it has potential if the price is right.....:

Westy no engine

Go for it DB!

Seam rust is common on the Westies but that's a lot. I think that's a hefty price for a non-running Syncro but that depends on how much work you'd do yourself. Long way to go for a big project.

[DBCooper]

Yeah, if there's anything I've learned in conversions it's to (don't listen to this if you're a CW) start with the best car you can get. It's already a lot of work to do a conversion, and you double or triple that if the car needs work as well.

When I was young someone gave what's proven to be some of the wisest advice I've ever heard. He told me if you wanted to find the most efficient way to do something, you give that job to the laziest guy in the shop. I've found that to be true. so much so that I've tried to incorporate that into my own life, striving to be as lazy as possible, finding the most efficient way to do things. That and I HATE rust.

I'm thinking it might be easier and cheaper to buy a non-camper Synchro (with sour engines they're pretty cheap) and a Westy interior, put the two together. I'd do the EZ30 engine, though. I really like that motor.

[KELTY360]

Yeah, if there's anything I've learned in conversions it's to (don't listen to this if you're a CW) start with the best car you can get. It's already a lot of work to do a conversion, and you double or triple that if the car needs work as well.

When I was young someone gave what's proven to be some of the wisest advice I've ever heard. He told me if you wanted to find the most efficient way to do something, you give that job to the laziest guy in the shop. I've found that to be true. so much so that I've tried to incorporate that into my own life, striving to be as lazy as possible, finding the most efficient way to do things. That and I HATE rust.

I'm thinking it might be easier and cheaper to buy a non-camper Synchro (with sour engines they're pretty cheap) and a Westy interior, put the two together. I'd do the EZ30 engine, though. I really like that motor.

The guy I worked with on my conversion told me he thinks it's easier to convert a 2wd to a syncro than convert a regular van to a Westy, but he works with syncros all the time. Probably falls under the 'lazy principle'.

If I had it to do over, I might go with the 2.5. because of fuel mileage and relative closeness of HP numbers. I've ridden in a well prepared 2.5 and it was very impressive also. I don't really know what my fuel efficiency will be, but I'll bet the 2.5 would be 20-25% better.

[DBCooper]

Funny you say that, I just saw a Quantum Synchro wagon in SoCal for $2000, so there are all the parts, too. Unfortunately I also just remembered California's smog rules, and unless it's a diesel I'd need 1975 or earlier. Means it looks like a non-synchro for me. No problem, I can count on one hand the times I've needed 4WD in the last ten years so 2WD should be fine. And looks like a lot cheaper, though not nearly as cool.

That EZ30 engine is s 3 liter six, from the last six or seven years. Nice and compact (only 3/4" longer than a four, 75 lbs heavier), gear-driven cams, more modern, economical, naturally aspirated, and still a lot of torque.

[Maltese Falcon]

The guy I worked with on my conversion told me he thinks it's easier to convert a 2wd to a syncro than convert a regular van to a Westy, but he works with syncros all the time. Probably falls under the 'lazy principle'.

In converting Vanagons at my shop back when they were abundant, there were many chassis differences between 2 and 4wd. A lot of extra metal welded around the framing, mid-chassis mounted fuel tank + specific fuel filler routing in the R- R quarter. And the wierdest...the 4wd has about a 1/2" shorter wheelbase. I supplied different sets of engine mounts for this reason.
I still see a few syncros around Santa Cruz, Monterey even L.A.
Some are +10s and some need lots of help. Parts can still be sourced, front viscous drives and driveshafts are still around, and transaxles are now being rebuilt by off-road trans shops. Just don't take it to the dealer for alignment !
Marty

[KELTY360]

Funny you say that, I just saw a Quantum Synchro wagon in SoCal for $2000, so there are all the parts, too. Unfortunately I also just remembered California's smog rules, and unless it's a diesel I'd need 1975 or earlier. Means it looks like a non-synchro for me. No problem, I can count on one hand the times I've needed 4WD in the last ten years so 2WD should be fine. And looks like a lot cheaper, though not nearly as cool.

That EZ30 engine is s 3 liter six, from the last six or seven years. Nice and compact (only 3/4" longer than a four, 75 lbs heavier), gear-driven cams, more modern, economical, naturally aspirated, and still a lot of torque.

Nothing wrong with a 2wd Westy. I have one I'm going to be selling. 95% of the roads I've been on, even unpaved forest Service roads, are passable with a 2wd. Considering that a 2wd is ~80% less expensive it makes sense to go that way. There's a lot to be said for that effortless cruise down the road....and up the hills. Way more relaxing when you've got + power.

To the best of my knowledge, the 2.2 and 2.5 are the only Subie/Vanagon conversions certified in CA but I'm not 100% on that info.

[KELTY360]

Perfect fit Marc ! I miss my '86 Carrera powered syncro, but I was well paid for it.
Fun memories in the 500,000 miles I put on it. I need to find my video of the syncro coming through the Big Sur creek (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Marty

Hey Marty, have you found that video yet?

[Olympic 914]

Those SVX engines run good. We had a 97 SVX and it was crazy, 100 mph and only turning around 3300 rpm, with too much left to go. got a big ticket on the D.C beltway with it, put a hurt on that vacation spending. Ha-Ha.
She traded it on a M-B in 2003 and I thought about keeping it for myself, but felt it might make the 914 seem redundant.

[Chris H.]

I did the SAME THING. There are some on The Samba.

This one seems perfect after further inspection....it has potential if the price is right.....:

Westy no engine

Go for it DB!

Seam rust is common on the Westies but that's a lot. I think that's a hefty price for a non-running Syncro but that depends on how much work you'd do yourself. Long way to go for a big project.

Yeah I missed that rust around the door initially....yikes. Too much rot for me. And there's some around the window frames as usual.

I see an SVX conversion on there for $48k!!!!!! Wow. Wouldn't mind just having a weekender or a Carat with an EG33 or EZ30 in it. Probably should work on my half-done teener first....

[914forme]

" I can't even imagine what this engine must feel like in a 914."

I hope to find out in the near future (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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