Paul Walker of Fast and Furious dead today Options

[euro911]

Oh yeah, and added 'dots' to the long list of things to be aware of a long time ago (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

[rhodyguy]

perhaps when the p guys are done this 'story' can end. enough all ready. it's not like they were in the school lunchroom and got shot in the face with a shotgun. now, that's a story THAT SHOULD NEVER END!!! people die in car wrecks every fucking day.

[ThePaintedMan]

Personally, I don't think using someone's death is a good way to grandstand about one's hatred of Hollywood. I get what you all are saying, trust me. But I'm not sure what all the ill will is towards this guy in particular. What they were doing was stupid and I think if Rodas or Walker were still here, they would agree - they paid the price. I agree that celebrities receive far too much attention, but I think in some small amount the attention around P.W. was that he might *actually* have been a good human being.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25...dding-ring.html

[sixnotfour]

http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/two-...mc/-/index.html

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2013/dec/17/.../#axzz2oFH4xZRj

and on and on..............

[ConeDodger]

Personally, I don't think using someone's death is a good way to grandstand about one's hatred of Hollywood. I get what you all are saying, trust me. But I'm not sure what all the ill will is towards this guy in particular. What they were doing was stupid and I think if Rodas or Walker were still here, they would agree - they paid the price. I agree that celebrities receive far too much attention, but I think in some small amount the attention around P.W. was that he might *actually* have been a good human being.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25...dding-ring.html

I agree. He was a very cool guy. Not unlike most of the guys who go to WCR or RRC. Loved cars. Was genuinely excited when he saw a car he liked. I met him with a friend who is a factory drift car engine builder. We didn't even realize who he was for probably 5 minutes.
I don't watch television. I don't find it entertaining at all. I do watch movies though, and I have enjoyed the F&F series. I'm not alone either, last year, my mother-in-law asked for one of the F&F movies for Christmas. What kind of fool automatically assumes that because someone enjoys action adventure movies that they worship hollywood? Do you need to drink 3 shots before you can cloud your brain enough to post?
Some of the statements made here have been beyond ridiculous. Who is he and why should I care? Umm, because you're human? What in the freakin' world does people not getting married until they're in their 30's have to do with this discussion? And more so, why would anyone say "well said" when it sounds like a drunken diatribe?
Someone died. They were human and a father, son, boyfriend etc. Simple human compassion is why you should care. Statements like they shouldn't have been speeding are really only your way of feeling superior since each of you has driven over the posted limit as well...
I started this thread because a pretty cool guy that I had once met, who did good things in his life and raced a Porsche died in a Carrera GT. If I had known it would bring out all this I'd have let you read about it in the news...
I agree. Close the thread.

[porbmw]

I agree. Close the thread.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)
Please.

[914_teener]

I think if you had added that context to the thread at the beginning it would have been helpful to even my posts.

What struck me....and btw I don't watch TV either is .....how everyone jumps to blame something or the mundane rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions.

That was my point in making the posts. I can assure you however I was perfectly sober at the time.

Rob, I sincerely apologize if I offended you.

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Rob

[scotty b]

Personally, I don't think using someone's death is a good way to grandstand about one's hatred of Hollywood. I get what you all are saying, trust me. But I'm not sure what all the ill will is towards this guy in particular. What they were doing was stupid and I think if Rodas or Walker were still here, they would agree - they paid the price. I agree that celebrities receive far too much attention, but I think in some small amount the attention around P.W. was that he might *actually* have been a good human being.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25...dding-ring.html

I agree. He was a very cool guy. Not unlike most of the guys who go to WCR or RRC. Loved cars. Was genuinely excited when he saw a car he liked. I met him with a friend who is a factory drift car engine builder. We didn't even realize who he was for probably 5 minutes.
I don't watch television. I don't find it entertaining at all. I do watch movies though, and I have enjoyed the F&F series. I'm not alone either, last year, my mother-in-law asked for one of the F&F movies for Christmas. What kind of fool automatically assumes that because someone enjoys action adventure movies that they worship hollywood? Do you need to drink 3 shots before you can cloud your brain enough to post?
Some of the statements made here have been beyond ridiculous. Who is he and why should I care? Umm, because you're human? What in the freakin' world does people not getting married until they're in their 30's have to do with this discussion? And more so, why would anyone say "well said" when it sounds like a drunken diatribe?
Someone died. They were human and a father, son, boyfriend etc. Simple human compassion is why you should care. Statements like they shouldn't have been speeding are really only your way of feeling superior since each of you has driven over the posted limit as well...
I started this thread because a pretty cool guy that I had once met, who did good things in his life and raced a Porsche died in a Carrera GT. If I had known it would bring out all this I'd have let you read about it in the news...
I agree. Close the thread.

I'm glad my " drunken diatribe " was above your comprehension. It would seem a few others were drunk when they read it since they understood and agreed with it. My comment that you quoted has to do with the fact that the people in this country have determined what is and isn't acceptable based on what the media,which hollywood is a large part of, shows them to be so, not what human history has shown to be so. You obviously didn't comprehend my statement. There was no alcohol involved, nor was there any mental disability ( on my part ) your comprehension was on the short side. Your high and mighty attitude that we should all feel the same way as you do about some guy we have never met and has no influence on our lives, IMHO shows your enamorment with someone famous who also happens to like the things you do, thus validating your opinion of something. ( yes that was a run on sentence, but again, no alcohol was involved ) My " drunken diatribe " was in response to people falling all over this particular person because he loved cars, had a charity and wasn't a dick. So what? there are millions of people out there you'll never hear of that die every day, and no one gives a shit about. Why are these two so much better that they deserve all this attention ? Because they were in the limelight, plain and simple. I'm pretty sure that was why Andy asked why he should care. I'm done here unless bullshit statements are leveled at me again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[ThePaintedMan]

This will be closed in a few minutes, I'm sure. But I understand both where Scotty is coming from and where Rob are coming from.

It's one of those things just kind of polarizes people I guess. I care about PW's death because it's personally relevant, and I think the story should be told (perhaps not for days on end) because it might wake at least a couple dumbass kids up and keep them from making a similar mistake. At least one can only hope.

Perhaps this isn't fair for me to use as an example as I wasn't alive, but a lot of people were really bummed for days on end when John Lennon died. Will the same be true for Yoko Ono? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Just one of them things I guess. We live in a society wrapped up in celebrity. First world problems.

[EdwardBlume]

Yeah close it.

Or Obama's birth certificate may turn up in church with tea party IRS agents giving guns to laser guided whales destoying the earth through global warming pollution, and beer girls.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)

[scotty b]

Yeah close it.

Or Obama's birth certificate may turn up in church with tea party IRS agents giving guns to laser guided whales destoying the earth through global warming pollution, and beer girls.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)

It's all Dick Cheney's fault (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

[ConeDodger]

Personally, I don't think using someone's death is a good way to grandstand about one's hatred of Hollywood. I get what you all are saying, trust me. But I'm not sure what all the ill will is towards this guy in particular. What they were doing was stupid and I think if Rodas or Walker were still here, they would agree - they paid the price. I agree that celebrities receive far too much attention, but I think in some small amount the attention around P.W. was that he might *actually* have been a good human being.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25...dding-ring.html

I agree. He was a very cool guy. Not unlike most of the guys who go to WCR or RRC. Loved cars. Was genuinely excited when he saw a car he liked. I met him with a friend who is a factory drift car engine builder. We didn't even realize who he was for probably 5 minutes.
I don't watch television. I don't find it entertaining at all. I do watch movies though, and I have enjoyed the F&F series. I'm not alone either, last year, my mother-in-law asked for one of the F&F movies for Christmas. What kind of fool automatically assumes that because someone enjoys action adventure movies that they worship hollywood? Do you need to drink 3 shots before you can cloud your brain enough to post?
Some of the statements made here have been beyond ridiculous. Who is he and why should I care? Umm, because you're human? What in the freakin' world does people not getting married until they're in their 30's have to do with this discussion? And more so, why would anyone say "well said" when it sounds like a drunken diatribe?
Someone died. They were human and a father, son, boyfriend etc. Simple human compassion is why you should care. Statements like they shouldn't have been speeding are really only your way of feeling superior since each of you has driven over the posted limit as well...
I started this thread because a pretty cool guy that I had once met, who did good things in his life and raced a Porsche died in a Carrera GT. If I had known it would bring out all this I'd have let you read about it in the news...
I agree. Close the thread.

I'm glad my " drunken diatribe " was above your comprehension. It would seem a few others were drunk when they read it since they understood and agreed with it. My comment that you quoted has to do with the fact that the people in this country have determined what is and isn't acceptable based on what the media,which hollywood is a large part of, shows them to be so, not what human history has shown to be so. You obviously didn't comprehend my statement. There was no alcohol involved, nor was there any mental disability ( on my part ) your comprehension was on the short side. Your high and mighty attitude that we should all feel the same way as you do about some guy we have never met and has no influence on our lives, IMHO shows your enamorment with someone famous who also happens to like the things you do, thus validating your opinion of something. ( yes that was a run on sentence, but again, no alcohol was involved ) My " drunken diatribe " was in response to people falling all over this particular person because he loved cars, had a charity and wasn't a dick. So what? there are millions of people out there you'll never hear of that die every day, and no one gives a shit about. Why are these two so much better that they deserve all this attention ? Because they were in the limelight, plain and simple. I'm pretty sure that was why Andy asked why he should care. I'm done here unless bullshit statements are leveled at me again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Yes, but how long should people wait to get married? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

[scotty b]

Personally, I don't think using someone's death is a good way to grandstand about one's hatred of Hollywood. I get what you all are saying, trust me. But I'm not sure what all the ill will is towards this guy in particular. What they were doing was stupid and I think if Rodas or Walker were still here, they would agree - they paid the price. I agree that celebrities receive far too much attention, but I think in some small amount the attention around P.W. was that he might *actually* have been a good human being.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-25...dding-ring.html

I agree. He was a very cool guy. Not unlike most of the guys who go to WCR or RRC. Loved cars. Was genuinely excited when he saw a car he liked. I met him with a friend who is a factory drift car engine builder. We didn't even realize who he was for probably 5 minutes.
I don't watch television. I don't find it entertaining at all. I do watch movies though, and I have enjoyed the F&F series. I'm not alone either, last year, my mother-in-law asked for one of the F&F movies for Christmas. What kind of fool automatically assumes that because someone enjoys action adventure movies that they worship hollywood? Do you need to drink 3 shots before you can cloud your brain enough to post?
Some of the statements made here have been beyond ridiculous. Who is he and why should I care? Umm, because you're human? What in the freakin' world does people not getting married until they're in their 30's have to do with this discussion? And more so, why would anyone say "well said" when it sounds like a drunken diatribe?
Someone died. They were human and a father, son, boyfriend etc. Simple human compassion is why you should care. Statements like they shouldn't have been speeding are really only your way of feeling superior since each of you has driven over the posted limit as well...
I started this thread because a pretty cool guy that I had once met, who did good things in his life and raced a Porsche died in a Carrera GT. If I had known it would bring out all this I'd have let you read about it in the news...
I agree. Close the thread.

I'm glad my " drunken diatribe " was above your comprehension. It would seem a few others were drunk when they read it since they understood and agreed with it. My comment that you quoted has to do with the fact that the people in this country have determined what is and isn't acceptable based on what the media,which hollywood is a large part of, shows them to be so, not what human history has shown to be so. You obviously didn't comprehend my statement. There was no alcohol involved, nor was there any mental disability ( on my part ) your comprehension was on the short side. Your high and mighty attitude that we should all feel the same way as you do about some guy we have never met and has no influence on our lives, IMHO shows your enamorment with someone famous who also happens to like the things you do, thus validating your opinion of something. ( yes that was a run on sentence, but again, no alcohol was involved ) My " drunken diatribe " was in response to people falling all over this particular person because he loved cars, had a charity and wasn't a dick. So what? there are millions of people out there you'll never hear of that die every day, and no one gives a shit about. Why are these two so much better that they deserve all this attention ? Because they were in the limelight, plain and simple. I'm pretty sure that was why Andy asked why he should care. I'm done here unless bullshit statements are leveled at me again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Yes, but how long should people wait to get married? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Your lack of comprehension is astounding. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

[SirAndy]

... I'm pretty sure that was why Andy asked why he should care...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)
My point exactly.

I just don't understand how someone who pretends to be someone else for a living is somehow elevated to a higher moral level than real people with real lives.
And on top of that somehow becomes a role model because of the fictional characters they pretended to be in a movie made for your entertainment.

I'm sorry but none of that computes in my brain ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

[ThePaintedMan]

I don't think anyone elevated him morally, at least in this conversation, because he was an actor. But I do believe he did make the best of his influence and gave back where he could... at least a hell of a lot more than the fucking Kardashians. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

What about Steve McQueen? He's elevated to God-like status among car guys, but morally he wasn't a "Straight-A" student. Still one of my favorites though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[rhodyguy]

carrera gt=the new corvair? where's ralph nader when you need him?

[ConeDodger]

I don't think anyone elevated him morally, at least in this conversation, because he was an actor. But I do believe he did make the best of his influence and gave back where he could... at least a hell of a lot more than the fucking Kardashians. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

What about Steve McQueen? He's elevated to God-like status among car guys, but morally he wasn't a "Straight-A" student. Still one of my favorites though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

This is where I think the disconnect is in this discussion. No one in the discussion has elevated anyone morally or held them to a lower standard behavior wise. His job was being an actor. Respectable work I suppose. I don't see though where the leap is in this discussion to people worshipping him or actors in general.

My point was that he was a car guy just like many of us, who showed up like many of us at things like cars and coffee, EuroSunday etc, he walked around looking at the cars and talking to the other car guys as if he was one of them (which he was - my point) he didn't stand around like HE was the attraction. He had a charity like lots of other celebrities. But unlike a lot of other celebrities he showed up and worked in Haiti, in th Phillipines. He moved debris, he learned to give shots, he changed bandages, right along side the volunteers. If he was an undeserving celebrity, he used it for good.

I get your points about people and celebrities but one of you is over generalizing that point to all people which isn't valid. I can only speak for me when I say that I think a lot of celebrities are stupid and talentless, the Kardashians are a good example. I don't think I'm alone in that feeling either so when you contribute to this discussion by implying that I and others only find this interesting because he is a celebrity you're just wrong.

[ConeDodger]

I don't think anyone elevated him morally, at least in this conversation, because he was an actor. But I do believe he did make the best of his influence and gave back where he could... at least a hell of a lot more than the fucking Kardashians. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

What about Steve McQueen? He's elevated to God-like status among car guys, but morally he wasn't a "Straight-A" student. Still one of my favorites though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

This is where I think the disconnect is in this discussion. No one in the discussion has elevated anyone morally or held them to a lower standard behavior wise. His job was being an actor. Respectable work I suppose. I don't see though where the leap is in this discussion to people worshipping him or actors in general.

My point was that he was a car guy just like many of us, who showed up like many of us at things like cars and coffee, EuroSunday etc, he walked around looking at the cars and talking to the other car guys as if he was one of them (which he was - my point) he didn't stand around like HE was the attraction. He had a charity like lots of other celebrities. But unlike a lot of other celebrities he showed up and worked in Haiti, in th Phillipines. He moved debris, he learned to give shots, he changed bandages, right along side the volunteers. If he was an undeserving celebrity, he used it for good.

I get your points about people and celebrities but one of you is over generalizing that point to all people which isn't valid. I can only speak for me when I say that I think a lot of celebrities are stupid and talentless, the Kardashians are a good example. I don't think I'm alone in that feeling either so when you contribute to this discussion by implying that I and others only find this interesting because he is a celebrity you're just wrong.

[rhodyguy]

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[somd914]

I've been staying away from this thread until Paul Walker was brought up at a Christmas Party over the weekend - still making news everywhere. Why? Probably for the same reason I still hear about James Dean's death - an American obsession with keeping up with the famous (dead or alive) be it Hollywood, sports, politics, etc.

Let me ask this, just a few days before Dale Earnhardt died, two Army H-60 helicopters collided and crashed in Hawaii killing six between the two aircraft. The dead, most of them younger than me, gave everything to help keep us employed and running around having fun in our cars. Who remembers that crash? Probably very few given the small mention in received in the news. Yet Dale Earnhardt received memorial ceremonies across the country.

Yes, it's sad two people died out of carelessness, it's sad that a charitable person died, but if he wasn't famous and still had the money/time to be charitable, would we have this thread?

My two cents worth, now back to delivering Christmas cookies in the teener...