Paul Walker of Fast and Furious dead today Options

[URY914]

What's Paul Walker and Steve Irwin got in common?

They both got killed by a fish tail

[Woody]

What's Paul Walker and Steve Irwin got in common?

They both got killed by a fish tail

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[worn]

What is missing is how the guy got to be celeb in the first place: showing kids how great it is to drive beyond recklessly. The movies can have whatever happy ending that seems to negate that, but that is the story that comes through. Drive fast and furious. Go ahead, they owe it to you. The innocent people driving kids to school just got in the way of you glorious need for speed.

So that is what made the money. Blood money. No matter how down to earth, as though an actor has something to be condescending about in the first place; no matter how many charities they take part in, they sold out to teen age deaths, about which we will never hear of.

Now, can we get back to what justifies this thread in the first place? How the car lost control?

Btw, if that valentine guy on the back of pano gets run over, i will be the first on the scene blaming him... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) Maybe we all do it, but it makes me creeped to see pca supporting him.

[Jonathan Livesay]

What is missing is how the guy got to be celeb in the first place: showing kids how great it is to drive beyond recklessly. The movies can have whatever happy ending that seems to negate that, but that is the story that comes through. Drive fast and furious. Go ahead, they owe it to you. The innocent people driving kids to school just got in the way of you glorious need for speed.

So that is what made the money. Blood money. No matter how down to earth, as though an actor has something to be condescending about in the first place; no matter how many charities they take part in, they sold out to teen age deaths, about which we will never hear of.

Now, can we get back to what justifies this thread in the first place? How the car lost control?

Btw, if that valentine guy on the back of pano gets run over, i will be the first on the scene blaming him... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) Maybe we all do it, but it makes me creeped to see pca supporting him.

I'm afraid that is a really good point. We have to treat any high performance car that we drive on the streets as a deadly weapon.

[ThePaintedMan]

Btw, if that valentine guy on the back of pano gets run over, i will be the first on the scene blaming him... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) Maybe we all do it, but it makes me creeped to see pca supporting him.

That is a great point. After reading several different articles in the past few months of Pano, PCA pretty much flat out condones doing 10+ over on public roads. They should be encouraging more people to keep it on the track. No doubt after the bad pub Porsche is getting from this event, things will tone down a little bit.

[euro911]

I had seen movie trailers, but only recently saw one of the F&F movies (when my nephew was staying with us this past summer). However, I could always tell when a new F&F movie had been released ... the streets and freeways were loaded with reckless rice-rockets.

Some schmuck almost took my wife and I out on the 405 freeway one afternoon - three of these dickwads were darting in and out of lanes at a high rate of speed. One of them forced his way into the space in front of us in the carpool lane (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

My wife called the CHP with his plate # and the descriptions of all three vehicles involved. Never heard if they were caught or not, but I'll bet at least one of them has probably been involved in a serious collision at some point or another.

As for the celebrities, too many actors involve themselves with scripts that are detrimental to a safe society, then turn around and scream out against those same issues in real life (gun violence, for an example). Shoot 'em up in the movies all day long, but they're the same assholes that turn around and jump on the bandwagon to have honest Americans disarmed! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

No one can't change my mind on the matter, 'Hollywood' is definitely responsible for a lot of the ills we face in our daily lives.

[Woody]

There was a Paul Walker tribute car meet here in San Antonio on Sunday. Supposedly 3,000 cars and bikes showed up. I would have steered clear if I had known it was going on. I took off on the Harley early afternoon for a cruise out in the country. Tons of ricers and bikes buzzing around in town. Way more than usual. On my way back into town later there were wrecks all over the place. Highway was shut down going the opposite way because of one. Found a Facebook link about the meet and there are a bunch of videos including some of the wrecks. The traffic was so backed up because of these turds it was unbelievable. Douchebags parking on the side of the road to shoot video of their friends as they went by doing burnouts, bikes doing wheelies, and all sorts of other bs. The cops had their hands full.

[Van914]

Worn,
What does Mike Valentine ( "Btw, if that valentine guy on the back of pano gets run over, i will be the first on the scene blaming him... Maybe we all do it, but it makes me creeped to see pca supporting him.") have to do with this? Mike makes and sells on of the best products in the industry. He is a long time Porsche Owner and member of PCA.

Van

[Cap'n Krusty]

This morning's LA Times report on the accident. Well, maybe "accident" isn't the right word, I'm sure there are others that more appropriately describe the event.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-l...y#axzz2pMcK322a

The Cap'n

[rhodyguy]

stability control delete option? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

[VaccaRabite]

"Both Rodas' and Walker's bodies were found braced for impact in a "pugilistic" stance.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-l...y#ixzz2pNCdoRGo
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That is a common way burned corpses are found. I wish I did not know that....

[worn]

Worn,
What does Mike Valentine ( "Btw, if that valentine guy on the back of pano gets run over, i will be the first on the scene blaming him... Maybe we all do it, but it makes me creeped to see pca supporting him.") have to do with this? Mike makes and sells on of the best products in the industry. He is a long time Porsche Owner and member of PCA.

Van

The connection is that both promote(d) driving outside the law. It just seems too blatant. I mean he is trying to get you to start a fighter pilot fantasy behind the wheel as though you were the good guys and the law enforcement was a *bogey (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) * Just like the F and F was a fantasy that some make real and deadly to those minding their own business. End of rant and certainly not to be taken personally.

[jim_hoyland]

Gotta ask: late reports say the car was doing 100+, Shouldn't the air bags have saved them ?

[carr914]

I don't think anyone elevated him morally, at least in this conversation, because he was an actor. But I do believe he did make the best of his influence and gave back where he could... at least a hell of a lot more than the fucking Kardashians. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

What about Steve McQueen? He's elevated to God-like status among car guys, but morally he wasn't a "Straight-A" student. Still one of my favorites though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

But McQueen was a Racer, who almost went Bankrupt from making the Best Movie EVER! And he was a Real Actor!

[Cap'n Krusty]

Gotta ask: late reports say the car was doing 100+, Shouldn't the air bags have saved them ?

Not really. Airbags have their limitations, and as such aren't a save-all solution for the terminally stupid and their passengers. Like a firemen's net, you hit it from the 90th floor and you're gonna go right through it. Slowing from 100 MPH to zero in 10, 20, 30 feet is gonna overload the capabilities of the airbag, especially at an angle.

The Cap'n

[rhodyguy]

so it's a case of driver error. a couple of 'look at us everybody!' idiots. with regards to a potential lawsuit porsche SHOULD be off the hook.

[horizontally-opposed]

Btw, if that valentine guy on the back of pano gets run over, i will be the first on the scene blaming him... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) Maybe we all do it, but it makes me creeped to see pca supporting him.

More the other way around, actually: His company is an advertiser paying for a space, and thus supports PCA.

By the logic above, anyone offering any performance enhancement of any kind can be criticized, as can Porsche for building fast cars in the first place—914s included. That point might be easily argued by "keep it on the track," but then Porsche street cars don't make much sense, as they are severely compromised as track cars. I guess I take a different view of Porsches: Kept well and driven responsibly, they are safer than most cars because they are better able to avoid incidents thanks to their performance potential. Is that a license to do stupid things? Absolutely not—but Porsches can be enjoyed on road and track intelligently. Sadly, some people make poor choices.

However, I see no need to pull V1 and/or PCA into a discussion about a crash that was the result of a Carrera GT that was determined to have been traveling at more than 100 mph in an urban area. With all due respect to two fellow 914 enthusiasts, doing so on a public forum could be easily interpreted as unnecessary as well as reckless.

[horizontally-opposed]

That is a great point. After reading several different articles in the past few months of Pano, PCA pretty much flat out condones doing 10+ over on public roads. They should be encouraging more people to keep it on the track. No doubt after the bad pub Porsche is getting from this event, things will tone down a little bit.

That's quite a conclusion to jump to, and a totally erroneous one at that.

But, to your second point, I can think of few entities or car hobby-related organizations in the U.S. (or anywhere, for that matter) that provide more opportunities for people to get their cars out on a closed course—whether track or autocross—while providing driver instruction. PCA also actively supports programs that are trying to both educate and train our teenagers to be better, more responsible drivers ready to react properly should things go wrong out there on the road. Is there a Porsche-related organization doing more to improve driver skill and offering opportunities to drive on a closed course than PCA?

pete

[rick 918-S]

Well stated Pete. What happened to two men in a Porsche could have happened to a number of us. I have driven the Alien cross country at triple digits more than once. All it would take is a deer or a faulty wheel torqueing or trash in the road. We all make decisions that we could end up regretting. Sometime we get a second chance. Sometimes we don't. My condolences to the families they left behind and the loss of their good charity work. We can all learn something from this. Be safe out there gents.

[Eric_Shea]

PCA pretty much flat out condones doing 10+ over on public roads.

Huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

I joined PCA in 1986. Every driving event I've ever attended was quite the opposite of this. In fact, shortly after moving here (Intermountain Region) the "Tour Chair" was let go (as in fired) when his Moab tour achieved speeds in excess of a buck-twenty. I've led over 1/2 dozen PCA tours and I'm signed up to lead more in Monterey... I know not of what you speak. In my safety talk, I informed all of my tour groups that we would probably be going "under" the speed limit. My little speech is "We're ambassadors for Porsche and we're on their (the host city) turf. Drive like you're supposed to."

Are we reading the same Pano? Or, is it because there's a radar detector ad in the magazine that they all of the sudden "condone doing 10+ over on public roads"?

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