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| Jake Raby |
Dec 16 2013, 05:56 AM
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Engine Surgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE I am surprised as well! I faithfully executed every recommended service item recommended prior to interval. However, I was never told about the water pump maintenance issue. Would have gladly replaced a WP w vs an engine! I hear this every single day, multiple times per day. It always comes from the guys that have failures, and trust me, most of them would trade scenarios with you very happily. There are lots of reasons why the factory maintenance regimens include what they do, and what they do not. Remember, the IMS Bearing was supposed to be impossible to replace as well, and it also has no factory service interval either. That one found Porsche in a class action suit. Proactive replacement of the water pump has proven to prevent reactive measures. While that engine is out, retrofit the IMS Bearing. After all it is a 2003, and has a single row IMSB, and is a class vehicle. |
| jesiv |
Dec 16 2013, 09:48 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 552 Joined: 5-August 07 From: Pensacola/Milton, Florida Member No.: 7,975 Region Association: Northern California |
Jake
I replaced the IMS two years ago because of the horror stories I heard. I didn't hear anything about the water pump until now :-( Regards James |
| Jake Raby |
Dec 16 2013, 07:39 PM
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Engine Surgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
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| HAM Inc |
Dec 16 2013, 09:17 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 850 Joined: 24-July 06 From: Watkinsville,GA Member No.: 6,499 Region Association: None |
Jake I replaced the IMS two years ago because of the horror stories I heard. I didn't hear anything about the water pump until now :-( Regards James See the August 2012 volume of Excellence Magazine. The Tech Forum was dedicated to this problem. Yep. Bet it gets more coverage in the future. It certainly should. |
| Jake Raby |
Dec 17 2013, 06:27 AM
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Engine Surgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Jake I replaced the IMS two years ago because of the horror stories I heard. I didn't hear anything about the water pump until now :-( Regards James See the August 2012 volume of Excellence Magazine. The Tech Forum was dedicated to this problem. Yep. Bet it gets more coverage in the future. It certainly should. It probably won't get the exposure it deserves until all the folks that have had intermix issues organize a class action suit. That seems to be the only damn thing thats effective at getting attention for these issues. |
| jesiv |
Dec 19 2013, 10:19 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 552 Joined: 5-August 07 From: Pensacola/Milton, Florida Member No.: 7,975 Region Association: Northern California |
Well I heard from the dealer today. The head is cracked in the exhaust area and this shop says not repairable! Thus it looks like a new head and having the other head refurbished. Not cheap but good news. Talking to Jake and Len re heads.
Any ideas what I should do "while I an in there"!!!! Wish me luck Regards James |
| HAM Inc |
Dec 20 2013, 08:14 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 850 Joined: 24-July 06 From: Watkinsville,GA Member No.: 6,499 Region Association: None |
That's the rarest of all M96/97 cracks. We can repair it, but it's cost prohibitive.
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| jesiv |
Dec 20 2013, 10:22 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 552 Joined: 5-August 07 From: Pensacola/Milton, Florida Member No.: 7,975 Region Association: Northern California |
That's the rarest of all M96/97 cracks. We can repair it, but it's cost prohibitive. I knew my car was special (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) anything else I should look at replacing. I was thinking of the plastic chain rails. Would replace a clutch? I have about 50k on the current one. Regards James |
| ThePaintedMan |
Dec 20 2013, 12:00 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,887 Joined: 6-September 11 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 13,527 Region Association: South East States
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Seems like a prudent time to do the nylon chain tensioner rails. On my Mustang, the motor had 120k on it and they were pretty worn out. Definitely don't want them to go down to metal or get brittle and crack.
How about seals on everything that's fairly easy to get to? Seems like one of those "while I'm in there" things? |
| brp986s |
Dec 20 2013, 12:23 PM
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Coolant tank. Easy job with engine out. Otherwise, it can be an awful job if you don't plan ahead. You'll want to push your car off a cliff, new heads and all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)
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| Jake Raby |
Dec 20 2013, 09:13 PM
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Engine Surgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
I am still looking through our cores for a matching head :-)
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| jesiv |
Dec 20 2013, 09:57 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 552 Joined: 5-August 07 From: Pensacola/Milton, Florida Member No.: 7,975 Region Association: Northern California |
Jake
Thank you! Regards James |
| jesiv |
Dec 20 2013, 10:15 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 552 Joined: 5-August 07 From: Pensacola/Milton, Florida Member No.: 7,975 Region Association: Northern California |
Just curious... Anyone in the Bay Area available to help me with my project?
Send me a PM. Trying to determine my options. Regards James |
| EdwardBlume |
Dec 21 2013, 07:00 PM
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914 Wizard ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 12,340 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California
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Help? Like pulling the motor?
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| Jake Raby |
Dec 21 2013, 08:10 PM
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Engine Surgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Just curious... Anyone in the Bay Area available to help me with my project? Send me a PM. Trying to determine my options. Regards James Take that car away from where it is.. I know an "enthusiast" that has built his own M96 and is sharper than most technicians on these engines. I am sure he'd be happy to help you and he is in the bay area. I can hook the two of you up. |
| jesiv |
Dec 24 2013, 09:50 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 552 Joined: 5-August 07 From: Pensacola/Milton, Florida Member No.: 7,975 Region Association: Northern California |
Jake, Thanks an intro would be nice.
The engine has already been pulled. I will need help putting a new/rebuilt head on and installing the engine. I have been told I will need special tools but don't know what they are. I will in all probability have the car towed home within the next week. I need to replace some transmission seals on the 914 this week. Regards James |
| Jake Raby |
Dec 24 2013, 09:54 PM
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Engine Surgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
The person I was referring to had the tools you need when he built his own engine. I am pretty sure that he still has them. If not I know a jerk who has them and will let you borrow them. He is the kind of guy that will do anything for you if he likes you, but if he doesn't like you, he won't do a damn thing for you:-)
I found you two different heads, Len needs to pressure test them when we get back from winter shutdown. This post has been edited by Jake Raby: Dec 24 2013, 09:55 PM |
| rhodyguy |
Dec 24 2013, 10:00 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 22,252 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
sometimes it pays to be civil to jerks.
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| jesiv |
Dec 24 2013, 10:56 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 552 Joined: 5-August 07 From: Pensacola/Milton, Florida Member No.: 7,975 Region Association: Northern California |
Jake
That is excellent news!! I will look forward to hearing from you after the break. Merry Christmas! Regards James |
| ThePaintedMan |
Dec 25 2013, 07:51 AM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,887 Joined: 6-September 11 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 13,527 Region Association: South East States
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Figured this would be a good place to also say congrats to Jake and Len for their recognition in Panorama this month. The article about Charles' car probably put a lot of typical PCA folks to sleep, but I thought it was really interesting. Very technical and very insightful. Congrats boys!
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