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1974 1.8 or 2.0 |
bajafreaks |
Feb 12 2014, 09:35 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 7-February 14 From: Gardnerville, Nevada Member No.: 16,969 Region Association: Northern California |
The 74 I just bought doesn't have the original engine, how do I know if this car came with a 1.8 or 2.0 ??? vin#4742906720
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billh1963 |
Feb 12 2014, 09:53 PM
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Car Hoarder! Group: Members Posts: 3,402 Joined: 28-March 11 From: South Carolina Member No.: 12,871 Region Association: South East States |
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bigkensteele |
Feb 12 2014, 09:59 PM
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Major Member Group: Members Posts: 2,197 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 2,660 Region Association: South East States |
Is it close to factory correct show level, or do you plan to take it there? If not, it probably doesn't matter much.
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jcd914 |
Feb 12 2014, 10:07 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,081 Joined: 7-February 08 From: Sacramento, CA Member No.: 8,684 Region Association: Northern California |
Porsche did not make a list public that has a connection between engine and VIN. And the emission information label in 74 was on the engine fan housing. I have heard you can call Porsche and they can look up info but you may have had to order a COA first, I don't know.
You say it has a non original engine, how do you know? What is in it now, engine, FI, Carbs? This is a long shot but depending in what has been done in the engine compartment you may find a clue. The 1.8 engine came with L-jet FI and they had a bracket for the Air Filter/Air Flow Meter that attached to the driver side inner long, the bracket would likely have left marks on the long if it had been there. Of course if the engine compartment has been repainted or something, probably not. Are you wanting to restore to original? Any year/size 914-4 engine can be put in any year 914-4, they are essentially plug & play. Good luck Jim |
bajafreaks |
Feb 12 2014, 10:19 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 7-February 14 From: Gardnerville, Nevada Member No.: 16,969 Region Association: Northern California |
Porsche did not make a list public that has a connection between engine and VIN. And the emission information label in 74 was on the engine fan housing. I have heard you can call Porsche and they can look up info but you may have had to order a COA first, I don't know. You say it has a non original engine, how do you know? What is in it now, engine, FI, Carbs? This is a long shot but depending in what has been done in the engine compartment you may find a clue. The 1.8 engine came with L-jet FI and they had a bracket for the Air Filter/Air Flow Meter that attached to the driver side inner long, the bracket would likely have left marks on the long if it had been there. Of course if the engine compartment has been repainted or something, probably not. Are you wanting to restore to original? Any year/size 914-4 engine can be put in any year 914-4, they are essentially plug & play. Good luck Jim I was told by the seller that it had a bus engine in it so I looked up the engine id and its for 80-83 vanagon. It has carbs now. I'll really just curious which engine the car came with and yes I do realize their interchangeable. |
Cap'n Krusty |
Feb 12 2014, 10:36 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
The engine you think you have is substantially different from other Type 4 based engines, and it's unlikely to be in your car. Let's see a picture of the top of the engine .........
The Cap'n |
bajafreaks |
Feb 12 2014, 11:08 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 7-February 14 From: Gardnerville, Nevada Member No.: 16,969 Region Association: Northern California |
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JFJ914 |
Feb 13 2014, 09:34 AM
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Senior Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 813 Joined: 13-June 03 From: Alpharetta, GA Member No.: 814 Region Association: South East States |
The engine you think you have is substantially different from other Type 4 based engines, and it's unlikely to be in your car. Let's see a picture of the top of the engine ......... The Cap'n The number on the engine is CV0444076 and when I looked it up it stated 80-83 vanagon 2.0 See the red rectangle on the drivers sidewall? Is the emissions sticker under the red paint? Try to clean the sticker carefully, I used brake cleaner, and see what it says. |
Spoke |
Feb 13 2014, 10:09 AM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,964 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
Didn't they put a 1.8 or 2.0 emblem on the rear of the car in '74? Is the emblem still there?
BTW, what's up with that carb linkage? I think I see 2 bars leading to the left and right and an eye hook on the right side. The one to the right might be the return spring. |
bajafreaks |
Feb 13 2014, 10:57 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 7-February 14 From: Gardnerville, Nevada Member No.: 16,969 Region Association: Northern California |
Didn't they put a 1.8 or 2.0 emblem on the rear of the car in '74? Is the emblem still there? BTW, what's up with that carb linkage? I think I see 2 bars leading to the left and right and an eye hook on the right side. The one to the right might be the return spring. The previous owner did some weird stuff the linkage is a little strange I would like to convert it back to F.I. it didn't come with the rear emblems. Apparently the engine was just freshly rebuilt but the car hasn't ran in 10 years. It has later model 75-76 heat exchangers, not sure which transmission yet. Just a mix/match of different year parts and pieces the guy has 3 914's and made one good one out of the 3. I'm thinking I will try and get it running and take it from there, not sure if I'll leave the bus engine in it or try and find a 2.0. I've defiantly got some work ahead of me but that's okay that's why I bought it. I also got a bunch of extra parts with the deal which I will sell off for cash flow. |
dlkawashima |
Feb 13 2014, 12:18 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 9,749 Joined: 1-October 10 From: San Jose Member No.: 12,234 Region Association: Northern California |
Do you know if your car has its original gas tank? If so, what is the tire size indicated on the label (see below)? 165 HR 15 was spec'd for 2-liter cars.
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Cap'n Krusty |
Feb 13 2014, 12:44 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
The engine you think you have is substantially different from other Type 4 based engines, and it's unlikely to be in your car. Let's see a picture of the top of the engine ......... The Cap'n The number on the engine is CV0444076 and when I looked it up it stated 80-83 vanagon 2.0 See the red rectangle on the drivers sidewall? Is the emissions sticker under the red paint? Try to clean the sticker carefully, I used brake cleaner, and see what it says. It is, indeed, a Vanagon motor. Prone to meltdowns when the EGR system is disabled. In this case, removed. Probably be OK with carbs, probably not with FI. How do you add oil? Vanagons used a lower block mounted oil filler unit, which would interfere with the alternator and the tin. I see they solved the dipstick issue with that contraption sticking way up in the middle of the engine compartment. Interesting ................... The Cap'n |
bajafreaks |
Feb 13 2014, 12:53 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 7-February 14 From: Gardnerville, Nevada Member No.: 16,969 Region Association: Northern California |
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bajafreaks |
Feb 13 2014, 12:56 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 7-February 14 From: Gardnerville, Nevada Member No.: 16,969 Region Association: Northern California |
The engine you think you have is substantially different from other Type 4 based engines, and it's unlikely to be in your car. Let's see a picture of the top of the engine ......... The Cap'n The number on the engine is CV0444076 and when I looked it up it stated 80-83 vanagon 2.0 See the red rectangle on the drivers sidewall? Is the emissions sticker under the red paint? Try to clean the sticker carefully, I used brake cleaner, and see what it says. It is, indeed, a Vanagon motor. Prone to meltdowns when the EGR system is disabled. In this case, removed. Probably be OK with carbs, probably not with FI. How do you add oil? Vanagons used a lower block mounted oil filler unit, which would interfere with the alternator and the tin. I see they solved the dipstick issue with that contraption sticking way up in the middle of the engine compartment. Interesting ................... The Cap'n If you notice there is a rubber line about 1/2" in diameter near the coil, its screwed into to the top of the engine case I'm assuming that's where you could add oil...definitely strange. The more I investigate the more I think Id be better off trying to find the correct engine. |
Dave_Darling |
Feb 13 2014, 12:58 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,974 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
I believe that the 1.8s also came with that size. The 155s were only used on the "base model" 1.7s in the first couple of years, running on 4.5" steel wheels.
The over-painted sticker in the engine bay is the best way to tell without sending the VIN off to Porsche. (With some money, of course!) The "1.8" and "2.0" emblems were used in 74, but they are trivially easy to remove and replace. I know more than one person who bought a 74 "2.0" that had a stock 1.8 liter motor... --DD |
bajafreaks |
Feb 13 2014, 03:26 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 7-February 14 From: Gardnerville, Nevada Member No.: 16,969 Region Association: Northern California |
See the red rectangle on the drivers sidewall? Is the emissions sticker under the red paint? Try to clean the sticker carefully, I used brake cleaner, and see what it says. [/quote] It reads engine size 120 CID |
JeffBowlsby |
Feb 13 2014, 06:33 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,439 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
120 CID = 2-oh!
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dlkawashima |
Feb 13 2014, 06:49 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 9,749 Joined: 1-October 10 From: San Jose Member No.: 12,234 Region Association: Northern California |
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bajafreaks |
Feb 13 2014, 07:53 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 66 Joined: 7-February 14 From: Gardnerville, Nevada Member No.: 16,969 Region Association: Northern California |
It reads engine size 120 CID In that case, your tire size should be 165 HR 15, like on the image below. If it says 165 SR 15, that would indicate the 1.8-liter. 2-liter: 1.7, 1.8-liter: its says 165 HR 15 so I guess we now can say its a 2.0 car. Thanks for the help guys. |
914_7T3 |
Aug 13 2019, 12:28 PM
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Please forgive me, I'm new to all of this! Group: Members Posts: 1,846 Joined: 3-April 17 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 20,991 Region Association: Southern California |
Great info on the expansion tank decals here. I am having Car Bone reproduce the HR decal for 2.0 Liter if anyone is looking for one. @bbrock
Also having them look into recreating the 1973 2.0 emmission decals in the engine bay off of these 2 examples (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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