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post Apr 28 2014, 07:07 PM
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Sorry if this is a re-post, but just came across this. Interesting possibilities, wonder if it will come to the U.S.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140321/O...ter-report-says
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post Apr 28 2014, 07:55 PM
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About time.
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post Apr 28 2014, 11:28 PM
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I like the drop top. :-) up to 395hp?
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post Apr 29 2014, 06:33 AM
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Sounds like an alternative to a Subi conversion for a 914, complete with transmission, and you can still participate at Parade.


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post Apr 29 2014, 10:02 AM
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I know the Boxster is essentially the modern 914, but I just want them to produce the 914 again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

A modernized looking 914 (targa top...even a an old fashioned manual one as we have, two seats, two trunks, etc...) is the perfect platform for an e-vehicle (or hybrid). Maybe Porsche will realize that the styling of the 914 is that good!!

Wake me up now...I've been dreaming for decades.
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post Apr 29 2014, 10:52 AM
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I will venture a guess:

2.5L Direct & port injection.
4 valve, Variable valve timing, intake & exhaust
And I dont see breaking the 250 HP mark without a .....Turbo

Pretty much a Toybaru FA20 on steroids.
The BRZ/FR-Ss are making north of 350HP with only a bolt-on turbo kit and a tune.
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post Apr 29 2014, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE(boxsterfan @ Apr 29 2014, 09:02 AM) *

I know the Boxster is essentially the modern 914, but I just want them to produce the 914 again.


If they made one without the hybrid stuff on it, it would still weigh 3500 lbs. With the hybrid drivetrain? I'd bet over 2 tons. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

They won't make a 914 again. There isn't enough profit in it. If they can build one that makes enough $$, it will lose just about all of the 914 character.

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post Apr 29 2014, 01:12 PM
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Sounds like it will be shorter but just as wide as the current Boxter motors.
I bet it still won't fit in a 914 engine bay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)
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post Apr 29 2014, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 29 2014, 08:33 AM) *

Sounds like an alternative to a Subi conversion for a 914, complete with transmission, and you can still participate at Parade.


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okay if they bring them over I will (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) if they are a rebadged Subaru engine. Stranger things have happened.
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post Apr 29 2014, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(914forme @ Apr 29 2014, 02:12 PM) *

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 29 2014, 08:33 AM) *

Sounds like an alternative to a Subi conversion for a 914, complete with transmission, and you can still participate at Parade.


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okay if they bring them over I will (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) if they are a rebadged Subaru engine. Stranger things have happened.



Did you realize that the first Subaru flat 4 was a Type 1 VW engine converted to water cooling? They later converted it to overhead cams, but the crank, rods and pistons would interchange with the VW stuff. The 2.7L Six in the Subaru SVX was a water cooled 911 2.7 engine. They were so close that you could use the subi main and rod bearings in a 911 engine. The crank wouldn't interchange because Subaru redesigned the nose to work with the timing belt.

So a rebadged Subaru motor would be kind of appropriate.
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post Apr 29 2014, 03:18 PM
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Did you realize that the first Subaru flat 4 was a Type 1 VW engine converted to water cooling? They later converted it to overhead cams, but the crank, rods and pistons would interchange with the VW stuff. The 2.7L Six in the Subaru SVX was a water cooled 911 2.7 engine. They were so close that you could use the subi main and rod bearings in a 911 engine. The crank wouldn't interchange because Subaru redesigned the nose to work with the timing belt.

So a rebadged Subaru motor would be kind of appropriate.


Do you have any links to back up that history?

How do you convert an aircooled engine to water cooling? And the SVX was always 3.3L.
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post Apr 29 2014, 03:28 PM
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I'd love some more info on this new engine.
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post Apr 29 2014, 03:58 PM
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Funny,

I met a guy driving a Boxter on the ferry to Long Island a few weeks ago and we talked about 356 prices, early 911's, 914's etc. He said ...

"I always thought I would like an outlaw 356, but I would never own a 4 cylinder car."

Maybe he would change his mind driving a 395 hp flat four......

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post Apr 29 2014, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 29 2014, 11:21 AM) *

QUOTE(914forme @ Apr 29 2014, 02:12 PM) *

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Apr 29 2014, 08:33 AM) *

Sounds like an alternative to a Subi conversion for a 914, complete with transmission, and you can still participate at Parade.


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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)

okay if they bring them over I will (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) if they are a rebadged Subaru engine. Stranger things have happened.



Did you realize that the first Subaru flat 4 was a Type 1 VW engine converted to water cooling? They later converted it to overhead cams, but the crank, rods and pistons would interchange with the VW stuff. The 2.7L Six in the Subaru SVX was a water cooled 911 2.7 engine. They were so close that you could use the subi main and rod bearings in a 911 engine. The crank wouldn't interchange because Subaru redesigned the nose to work with the timing belt.

So a rebadged Subaru motor would be kind of appropriate.


The SVX's had EG33 (3.3l) motors which were the same as the EJ22 with two more cylinders. EJ22 pistons interchange with the EG33's.
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post Apr 30 2014, 06:41 AM
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Well, the 919 engine, (it's a V4) , is a two liter turbo with 500HP. Probably not as wide as the flat four so maybe it will fit a 914. LOL!! I am sure it would be six figures or more for the engine. If Porsche is getting 500HP out of the V4, don't see why they couldn't get 395 from the flat four for the street.
Sure would like to see some pictures of the new flat four.
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post Apr 30 2014, 06:53 AM
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QUOTE(boxsterfan @ Apr 29 2014, 12:02 PM) *

I know the Boxster is essentially the modern 914


I disagree

Its actually a modern 550 Spyder. That was the inspiration, for the prototype

Boxster = convertible
914 = Targa

Big difference IMHO
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post Apr 30 2014, 07:00 AM
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QUOTE(Qarl @ Apr 30 2014, 08:53 AM) *

Its actually a modern 550 Spyder. That was the inspiration, for the prototype

Boxster = convertible
914 = Targa

Big difference IMHO

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& cayman = 916
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post Apr 30 2014, 07:16 AM
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Did you realize that the first Subaru flat 4 was a Type 1 VW engine converted to water cooling? They later converted it to overhead cams, but the crank, rods and pistons would interchange with the VW stuff. The 2.7L Six in the Subaru SVX was a water cooled 911 2.7 engine. They were so close that you could use the subi main and rod bearings in a 911 engine. The crank wouldn't interchange because Subaru redesigned the nose to work with the timing belt.

So a rebadged Subaru motor would be kind of appropriate.


Do you have any links to back up that history?

How do you convert an aircooled engine to water cooling? And the SVX was always 3.3L.


He means the Subaru XT I think. This beauty right here:

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Came with a 2.7L 6 as an option.

Never heard the parts were interchangeable, but Subaru engines are certainly an excellent copy of VW and Porsche flat 4 and 6 engines. If you look at a Type 4 engine and a Subie 4 they are remarkably similar. Subaru started making theirs right about the time VW moved towards water-cooled inline 4's. The Vanagon used an engine that was converted from air cooled to water cooled IIRC.
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post Apr 30 2014, 07:28 AM
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Maybe some more clues???

It's not a boxer-four, but they are stuffing a VW motor in the Macan.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/porsche...ampaign=ongoing

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We said it would happen, and it's happened even sooner than we expected: Porsche has dropped a four-cylinder engine into its Macan SUV.

Specifically, it's a 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbo, closely related to the engine found in the Golf GTI ‘Performance Pack' and sending 233bhp and 258lb ft of torque to the wheels through Porsche's seven-speed ‘PDK' gearbox.
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Coming in 2016 ... maybe

http://www.automobilemag.com/new_and_futur.../?__federated=1
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