Attn. PCA Bay Area Autocrossers!, Post your class/specs here for '05! Options

[Andyrew]

Ah heck...

Im screwed..

http://sandbox.visualproduce.com/rulcomm_c...&s=0&np=4&r=184

GT....

[J P Stein]

What does this mean?
http://sandbox.visualproduce.com/rulcomm_c...&s=0&np=4&r=196

[Demick]

QUOTE (J P Stein @ Jan 16 2005, 08:03 PM)

What does this mean? http://sandbox.visualproduce.com/rulcomm_c...&s=0&np=4&r=196

It means you better be F'ing fast!

[J P Stein]

When I come to play, I'll work at that (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[Trekkor]

This is good...

This season can't come sooner.

KT

[J P Stein]

Humm....I think I did that wrong. Oh well, whatda' they gonna' do, send me to Viet N......eh... jack me up a class? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (nebreitling @ Jan 16 2005, 06:54 PM)

looks like Ahhndy is Fm; AX-5, running with the big boys on some real schlicks. resident german

ayupp ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

FM & AX5 (885.00)

My Classification ...

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif) Andy

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (J P Stein @ Jan 16 2005, 08:03 PM)

What does this mean?

that means that a factory Carrera GT has *less* points than you do ...

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) Andy

[nine14cats]

Here are our classifications for GGR/LPR/Zone 7 PCA for 2005:

Doris and Bill Pickering
car# 628L / 628
1974 914-6

2005 car class: ZL / Z Auto-X, Time Trials
2006?: AX1 in Auto-X, GT3R in Time Trials

More tweaking will be needed in the new points based system. It seems a shame that in auto-x you have to be added points to like Demick for a non-stock front air dam that doesn't help performance.

But the new rules committee is trying to balance things. If you go by the letter of POC/PCA club racing, our car would be a GT2 class car for tracks. However, we are running a stock 993 motor, so we're 100+HP down from true GT2's. The competion director is trying to even it out.

I like the new points system, but truthfully it doesn't matter where we end up. We just like being with everyone and having fun....and not breaking the car...

Bill P.

[J P Stein]

Bill:

Lemmeno when that car of yours is ready.
Mine won't be "done" till April so I won't make the all914 AX (if it happens), but I'll come down in May or June for an AX. ....God willin' & the creek don't rise.

I see we are in the same class. Oh well, I've had my AXass kicked before (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[Mueller]

If I did it correctly....AX7 with 675 points

[Joe Ricard]

AX 5 total 865 points What ever that means
I run SM-2 in SCCA.

[GTeener]

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) I don't think I did my classification right. Says I'm AX4 915 points (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

http://sandbox.visualproduce.com/rulcomm_c...&s=0&np=5&r=207

I used what my car started as: 1973 914 1.7

I wasn't sure how to account for the /6 conversion but it looks like it should be "Engine capacity increase from 2001cc to 2250cc". Not sure what the 1.7/1.8 base cc is but the 1970 2.2 S is suposedly 2195 cc.

I was running in FML and FXL 'cuz I wasn't sure which was right.

[Demick]

Gwen

Since you have a six conversion, you have to go back and start your classification as a 914-6 (see my earlier post to Trekkor). Then you answer engine modification questions based on a 2.0 911T motor. So you will get extra points for the extra 200cc's you have as well as your 'S' cams. Expect some pretty high classification numbers for your car.

Demick

[nebreitling]

okay, i don't understand this, maybe some of you PCA regulars can help me out.

from what i could tell via my possible "stringent" interpretation of the rules, ANY non-stock camshaft in a 914 puts you into Fm -- regardless of displacement, fuel delivery (fi vs carbs), etc.

however, there are a few guys who have been running in, e.g., Bp in 2004 who, according to their profiles on the points system page, are running a non-stock camshaft.

i ask because, although i don't mind getting my ass kicked around a little in Fm this season, my car is clearly in the "spirit" of the Prodified class (Br). stock stroke, stock bore, carbs, hi-compression, just a touch of fiberglass, and, yes: a cam.

here's the prodified text:

4.5 PRODIFIED CATEGORY (a) Due to the special capability of the 914 to provide racecar performance within very tight budget constraints, two Prodified classes are provided. (b All modifications permitted to 914s in the Stock, Improved, and Production Categories are permitted. (c Suspension modifications accomplished by machining or welding are permitted. (d) Drilling or grooving of brake rotors is permitted. (e) Racing tires are permitted. Tires that do not meet the size requirements of the Production Category, but which otherwise would be allowable in the Production Category, are permitted. (f) Rim widths are limited to 7" maximum. Rim diameter is limited to 15" minimum. Offset wheels are permitted. (g) Non-standard gearing is permitted. (h) Float bowl baffling is permitted. (i) Compression ratio may be increased. (j) A track width increase up to 2" is permitted, along with wheel spacers and replacement wheel studs. (k) Locked differentials are permitted. (l) Any front air dam may be installed, provided it does not extend forward of the stock front bumper (excluding bumperettes), and does not extend rearward of the front wheel centerline. Removal of the front valance panel/bumper and the rear valance is permitted. (m) Any rear aerodynamic device is permitted provided: (i) It is within a 5-inch perimeter at the contour of a factory stock car as viewed from above. (ii) There is no forward-facing gap between the device and the body of the car for the central 30 inches. (iii) It does not extend closer than 6" to the ground. (n) Any brand pistons and cylinders may be used. Overbore up to 1.2 mm over stock is permitted. (o) Fiberglass fenders, hood, rear deck lid, engine cover, and rear bumpers may be substituted for the stock components. Fiberglass doors are not permitted. (p) Camber settings are free.

YET, there is no specific mention in the rules of any cam swap being permited until you get into Fm:

4.6 Street Modified Category (excerpt)
(j) Engine Parts: Different cams may be used. Any brand pistons and cylinders are permitted. These changes are not permitted in the Production Category due to high costs.

what's the understanding here? do people just ignore the "cam issue"? has this ever formally come up? it seems like most people are in Fm because of displacement, as a 2056 bumps you out of the B-series classes...

all input welcome. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) nathan

[GTeener]

QUOTE (Demick @ Jan 17 2005, 02:10 PM)

Gwen Since you have a six conversion, you have to go back and start your classification as a 914-6 (see my earlier post to Trekkor).  Then you answer engine modification questions based on a 2.0 911T motor.  So you will get extra points for the extra 200cc's you have as well as your 'S' cams.   Expect some pretty high classification numbers for your car. Demick

That makes a difference... Thanks Demick!

Now it says I'm classed in AX5 with 840 points.

Is that good or bad for me? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

[Britain Smith]

Well, I didn't get to check very many items so I only ended up with 350 points which places me in AX13. Britain's 1.7L Classifications

It looks like I will be against 911 SC (1978-1983) and 914/2.0 stock cars. Looks like fun...I need to get my 912 done.

-Britain

[nebreitling]

damn, britain, as fast as you push that little 1.7, you ought to be kicking some ass there!



Andy vs. Gwen: The showdown of '05.

[nebreitling]

monkei: you'll want sways. at least a front.

sounds like an Fm car.

[ppickerell]

Ooops, my son(monkei) was logged into my comPuter so I am re-posting with my login.I have an engine swap started by Brad before he disappeared and it should be done in late feb (HPH has taken over the project). Documentation on this work in progress is non-existent. I am not sure about what I will have in the end. I have a 73 that was a 1.7. I sent a 2.0 core to HPH and I think I will end up with a 2056 with FI. Not sure of cam. Has ceramic lifters. I will upgrade to sticky tires but no sway bars. Has Koni Yellows and new springs. Full tranny rebuild with Billet intermediate plate and Gurad ZF LSDS. Eurpoean racing headers ceramic coated. I would appreciate any help you all could give me in figuring out my class/points. Maybe Rich B. can chime in here. Whatever the answer is I can tell you I am pretty excited about running this year! My son now has a 914, his roommate just bought the white 74 from HPH and my wife will probably run most events with us in her Boxster.