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Howard	Jan 18 2005, 03:36 PM Post #1
Incontin(g)ent Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,785 Joined: 24-July 03 From: Westlake Village, CA Member No.: 943 Region Association: None	Just bought a 2.7 long block. Is this the right ticket for induction. I love the way webers look, but this has got to be easier, eh? CIS Attached image(s)

Howard	Jan 18 2005, 03:37 PM Post #2
Incontin(g)ent Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,785 Joined: 24-July 03 From: Westlake Village, CA Member No.: 943 Region Association: None	PS. Scott, it's getting tough to keep up with you (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

Aaron Cox	Jan 18 2005, 03:39 PM Post #3
Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California	dont you need to cut a recess to fit CIS on a teener?

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Jan 18 2005, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jan 18 2005, 01:39 PM)

dont you need to cut a recess to fit CIS on a teener?

Nope, just turn the fuel dist. around and move the engine lid latch to the other side. Requires a little welding, but worth it.

Also, keep that CIS on it if you can. That is the later style with cold air bypass on it. No hand throttle to deal with. Turn key and start. Nice, simple system. Don't waste money on carbs. The won't produce much more hp and you will loose a ton of ecomomy. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

lapuwali	Jan 18 2005, 03:56 PM Post #5
Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743	Of course, you'll need to remove the rain tray. It's tight, but it will fit. Didn't need to touch the fuel distributor on mine, but it was a very very early setup (73.5 911T). The engine latch will have to be moved or simply removed altogether. I went with a pair of hood pins instead. Fit an anti-backfire flapper if one hasn't been fitted already...

Howard	Jan 18 2005, 04:32 PM Post #6
Incontin(g)ent Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,785 Joined: 24-July 03 From: Westlake Village, CA Member No.: 943 Region Association: None	Sounds like you guys know what you're doing. Please visit the link and tell me if you think I should buy this. PS AAron. I plan to build an 1100# tube frame RSK replica. OK, just in my dreams, but maybe someday (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

skline	Jan 18 2005, 04:37 PM Post #7
Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California	Well, the one I am looking at already has all that stuff with it Howard. I think it looks like a nice clean setup and the carbs will cost you a lot more money to boot. The CIS I think would be the way to go. And what do you mean you are having a hard time keeping up with me?

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Jan 18 2005, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE (skline @ Jan 18 2005, 03:37 PM)

Well, the one I am looking at already has all that stuff with it Howard. I think it looks like a nice clean setup and the carbs will cost you a lot more money to boot. The CIS I think would be the way to go.

And what do you mean you are having a hard time keeping up with me?

he gets a six you get a bigger six.....
you get brittney....he gets bigger trailer trash (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

jim912928	Jan 18 2005, 04:55 PM Post #9
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,485 Joined: 8-January 04 From: Granger, IN Member No.: 1,536 Region Association: Upper MidWest	I saw a picture of a 2.7 with CIS installed in a 914 without the engine hatch being moved. It looked like they ground the plastic "fins" on whatever they call that thing on top and the engine lid/hatch then cleared. Can't remember where I saw this pic but it was either here or on the bird board (thought it was somebody who worked at Pelican). Jim

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Jan 18 2005, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE (Howard @ Jan 18 2005, 02:32 PM)

Sounds like you guys know what you're doing. Please visit the link and tell me if you think I should buy this.

PS AAron. I plan to build an 1100# tube frame RSK replica. OK, just in my dreams, but maybe someday (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

Looks nice. The bit about the 911S part making "more power" is BS, but that's harmless. Ask the guy if this includes a fuel pump. One thing about CIS is it requires VERY high fuel pressure (100psi), so it requires a hefty pump. Most systems also have a fuel accumulator, which holds some pressure even with the system shut off. No accumulator, and you have to let the pump run some before trying to fire it up. I can't remember what a pump runs by itself, but it's not cheap. $300-400? You could probably use a junkyard pump from a CIS equipped VW for lots less than a new part.

I see he's already installed the anti-backfire flapper, which is a plus.

jim912928	Jan 18 2005, 04:57 PM Post #11
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,485 Joined: 8-January 04 From: Granger, IN Member No.: 1,536 Region Association: Upper MidWest	I found the picture (sorry I can't give credit to the owner)...but here it is without the latch having to be moved: Attached image(s)

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Jan 18 2005, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE (Howard @ Jan 18 2005, 03:32 PM)

Sounds like you guys know what you're doing. Please visit the link and tell me if you think I should buy this.

PS AAron. I plan to build an 1100# tube frame RSK replica. OK, just in my dreams, but maybe someday (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

I think you should mount it on the mini-bike

Sammy	Jan 18 2005, 05:34 PM Post #13
. Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Orange, Ca Member No.: 178	If you take a stock CIS engine and replace the CIS with carbs, you will increase the throttle response and the cool noise, but the HP won't go up that much. That's because the CIS cams are relatively mild and the pistons are designed for the CIS. If you take that same engine and put higher compression domed pistons with "S" cams, the engine will really come to life and be a screamer, but carbs alone won't get you there. Carbs will also get you finicky cold starting and almost constant tinkering in many cases. Some folks can avoid this but many can't. Once you get the CIS working correctly you don't even have to think about it. Now getting a bad CIS system working right is another story.........

VegasRacer	Jan 18 2005, 06:55 PM Post #14
ELVIRA Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,509 Joined: 27-March 03 From: Between Scylla and Charybdis Member No.: 481 Region Association: None	Here is how the PO installed a 3.0 with CIS in my car. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) It was a tight fit. Attached image(s)

VegasRacer	Jan 18 2005, 06:57 PM Post #15
ELVIRA Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,509 Joined: 27-March 03 From: Between Scylla and Charybdis Member No.: 481 Region Association: None	The latch was moved but the cable kept binding or breaking, so I put on hood pins. Attached image(s)

VegasRacer	Jan 18 2005, 06:58 PM Post #16
ELVIRA Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,509 Joined: 27-March 03 From: Between Scylla and Charybdis Member No.: 481 Region Association: None	Close up of the moved latch. Attached image(s)

VegasRacer	Jan 18 2005, 07:00 PM Post #17
ELVIRA Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,509 Joined: 27-March 03 From: Between Scylla and Charybdis Member No.: 481 Region Association: None	Junk in the trunk. I want to figure out a way to relocate some of this stuff so I can carry the targa top back here. Attached image(s)

VegasRacer	Jan 18 2005, 07:01 PM Post #18
ELVIRA Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,509 Joined: 27-March 03 From: Between Scylla and Charybdis Member No.: 481 Region Association: None	One last shot from another angle. I hope this helps. Attached image(s)

Dr Evil	Jan 18 2005, 07:12 PM Post #19
Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,995 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region	Howard, the fuel distributor is for a 3.2 so it is bigger. I don't know if this is a problem if it is on a smaller engine, but I know that if you put a 2.7 distributor on a 3.X it will suck power (so I have been told). I will be running mine CIS (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) I will not be cutting. John, what is the thing in your trunk? Is it the accumulator?

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Jan 18 2005, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE (VegasRacer @ Jan 18 2005, 06:00 PM)

Junk in the trunk.
I want to figure out a way to relocate some of this stuff so I can carry the targa top back here.

John,

I don't think a top will go back in that trunk. The middle of the trunk firewall has been cut and moved rearward. I think that mod will preclude the fitting of a top.

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