 harness bar/5-point belt install, How does one do it? |
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| jimtab |
 Jan 27 2005, 07:56 PM
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Advanced Member  Group: Members Posts: 3,477 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Pacifica, California Member No.: 91 Region Association: Northern California  |
Does anyone know of a link to a thread or tech "article" that explains how to install the harness bar(and keep the stock belts) and install the 5 point belts without drilling thru an important bit below the seats...I gotta get ready for the autoX season this time so I won't be so far down the list...HELP! And thanks in advance....
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| Mueller |
Jan 27 2005, 08:01 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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make sure you get all your hardware bolts and washers at Home Depot (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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| Trekkor |
Jan 27 2005, 08:08 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Why do you want to keep the stock belts?
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| jimtab |
Jan 27 2005, 08:10 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,477 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Pacifica, California Member No.: 91 Region Association: Northern California |
YOURE KILLING ME< KILLING ME! |
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| jimtab |
Jan 27 2005, 08:14 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,477 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Pacifica, California Member No.: 91 Region Association: Northern California |
Because my usual Passenger thinks the others(5pt) are uncomfortable even tho I've pointed out that they "lift and separate", whatcha gonna do... |
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| Trekkor |
Jan 27 2005, 08:15 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
My clip in belts from Racer's Group were $150 with all the eylets/hardware.
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| Mueller |
Jan 27 2005, 08:24 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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I knew you'd appreciate the humor there (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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| Series9 |
Jan 27 2005, 08:26 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Trekkor, you need a race seat.
Here are my belts. The harness bar is not necessary, you can bolt the shoulder belts through the fire wall with back up plates. Attached image(s) 
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| Series9 |
Jan 27 2005, 08:27 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Back-up plates:
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| Trekkor |
Jan 27 2005, 08:37 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
I know... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) My back up washers. KT Attached image(s) 
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| nebreitling |
Jan 27 2005, 08:40 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
he doesn't want the points!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif) |
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| Elliot_Cannon |
Jan 27 2005, 11:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,922 Joined: 26-March 03 From: Orange County Ca Member No.: 480 Region Association: None |
I used a harness bar because I was told the mounting point of the shoulder harness should be level with or above the height of the top of you shoulder. Are the shoulder harness cutouts on most racing seats located above the top of your shoulder usually?
Cheers, Elliot |
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| Howard |
Jan 28 2005, 09:08 AM
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Incontin(g)ent Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,785 Joined: 24-July 03 From: Westlake Village, CA Member No.: 943 Region Association: None 
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This ain't rocket science, Track Fee Boy (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) With Stock seats...
1. Buy belts 2. Buy nuts, bolts, BIG flat washers. 3. Drill 5 holes. Avoid drilling through veins and arteries, your's or car's. 4. Bolt in. Most of these belts attach to mounts with some style of clip so are easily removed for street use. I like them better than street belts. That anti submarine belt is entertaining on long drives if you snug it up just right (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| VegasRacer |
Jan 28 2005, 10:17 AM
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ELVIRA Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,507 Joined: 27-March 03 From: Between Scylla and Charybdis Member No.: 481 Region Association: None
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The shoulder belts should be monted below the top of your shoulders. A 20 degree angle below horizontal is optimum. |
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| 914werke |
Jan 28 2005, 10:34 AM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,059 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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So you have to replace the OE retractors to install a HB?
Its the consensus tha harness bars are BAD / Unecessary? |
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| scott914poor |
Jan 28 2005, 11:18 AM
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Gramps Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 26-December 04 From: stockton ca Member No.: 3,343 |
I remember talking to a guy who had broken his collar bone(s) driving some low budget stock car and he was told his restraints were mounted wrong height wise. Cant remember whether too high or too low. I made my own cross bar and retained the stock shoulder restraint because I dont want a ration of criticism from my infrequent passenger (wife). Stock shoulder belt simply runs over the bar and works fine, thus giving me the boy racer-look
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| Trekkor |
Jan 28 2005, 11:39 AM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
If you look at the location of the shoulder mounts on Joe and I's cars, you'll see the proper height.
Throught the firewall below the rear window. I thought harness bar, too. Seemed easier. When people start saying broken back, neck or shoulder bones, I got scared and did a little research. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) All the race cars I've seen use the position slighty below the driver's shoulder height. The belt goes up and down over the shoulder and to the cam-lock. Investigate, research, look, ask questions... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) KT |
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| Oled |
Jan 28 2005, 03:30 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 5-February 03 From: San Antonio, TX Member No.: 247 |
I found the key to using a harness bar and keeping stock 3 point belts is to replace the ears on the end of the bar with longer ears (you will have to make these). This allows the stock belts to fit on the B pillar. I lowered the bar to just below the bottom of the rear window. I also am a firm believer in not attaching a harness belt to the harness bar. It is too easy to have the bar rotate if you do so and then have the unfortunate opportunity to stress the installation. I run the shoulder harness straps over the bar and then use huge washers (4"x4" SCCA type) to mount the end of the belts to the firewall. This way the bar is just about at the level of my shoulders.
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| GaroldShaffer |
Jan 28 2005, 03:36 PM
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You bought another 914? Group: Benefactors Posts: 7,622 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Portage, IN Member No.: 865 Region Association: None
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could we see a picture of your setup please? |
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| Dave_Darling |
Jan 28 2005, 06:12 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,985 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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Jim, come to the Tied House this weekend and see my setup. Six-point belt setup, legal in the local PCA (Zone 7), no drilling of holes required. (It is definitely not optimal from a safety standpoint, and will not pass "big-track" tech for SCCA and one or two other outfits.)
You can just loop the stock belt over the bar and let the upper mounting bracket slide along the belt. Makes the belt retract rather slowly, but it works. With the six-point belts I did not have to cut holes in my seat (bad) or run the belt around the front of the seat (worse IMHO). Ah, here is a link to a few pics of the install: http://members.rennlist.com/damp_dave/belts.html --DD |
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