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pete000
post Dec 4 2014, 10:55 PM
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I would think if it was a factory M471 optioned car the COA would have listed it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

Nice color ! Hope he gets his asking price...

Vin is not in the data base that I see?


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post Dec 4 2014, 11:14 PM
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"Believed to be" is not believable. I think it would have been stated it on the COA too.
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post Dec 4 2014, 11:28 PM
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this car is definitly not a factory built M471 car
this one has #1376 which means it was built somewhen about 04/1970
the factory built M471 cars started in 02/1971 +/-
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post Dec 4 2014, 11:48 PM
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What drivers eat is that?
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post Dec 5 2014, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE(pete000 @ Dec 5 2014, 05:55 AM) *

I would think if it was a factory M471 optioned car the COA would have listed it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

Nice color ! Hope he gets his asking price...

Vin is not in the data base that I see?


https://www.flickr.com/photos/126218907@N06...57649298414942/

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-car...0-914-6-gt.html


Hi Pete,

if you want to learn more about the car, you find a more detailed discussion right here:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=236540

I would agree to Gustl. Also from my side of view it's not a factory M 471.

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post Dec 5 2014, 06:21 AM
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In the discussion thread from before on this car, we never got the serial# or any type#'s off of the motor.
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post Dec 5 2014, 08:10 AM
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I agree re the M471 being a factory build - if anything it looks possible the selling dealer could have installed the kit. Despite not having the original engine case this is a very nice car. It is a true Six and a beautiful optioned car. I have always love Adriatic Blue and you don't see it that often. If I had the cash I would love to have this car too. It will be interesting to see how high this price climbs. GLWTS.
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post Dec 5 2014, 10:03 AM
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Love the color and the car. That would look good in my garage next to my white car. I sure wish Kathy would let me sell her BB for something like this....I would flog the hell out of it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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post Dec 5 2014, 10:15 AM
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if this one would be real M471 it would have the correct front and rear valances
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post Dec 5 2014, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(DEC @ Dec 5 2014, 09:15 AM) *

if this one would be real M471 it would have the correct front and rear valances

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post Dec 5 2014, 11:48 AM
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the new white license plate has to go!


Otherwise nice car...no idea about the M471 thing...don't know and don't care...sorry
hopefully new owner can source an old plate for it!
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post Dec 5 2014, 03:30 PM
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Some one should post the VIN to the data base !


9140431367
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post Dec 5 2014, 04:33 PM
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well it isn't on the list and the COA doesn't list it...so no
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post Dec 5 2014, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE(Alphaogre @ Dec 4 2014, 09:48 PM) *

What drivers eat is that?


I have the same seat on my car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) paid $15 and G&R
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post Dec 5 2014, 11:25 PM
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If it was a real documented M471 I think the asking price would be north of 85K.
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post Dec 6 2014, 05:55 AM
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QUOTE(championgt1 @ Dec 6 2014, 12:25 AM) *

If it was a real documented M471 I think the asking price would be north of 85K.


Yeah, Well North of a $100k
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post Dec 6 2014, 08:01 AM
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It is a flared six. It is not an M471 car. All of them had front and rear sway bars, and this car is missing the rear bar.
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post Dec 6 2014, 10:50 PM
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"this discussion never ends!

"471" option was just a list of parts - could be built by anyone with the money

- it was all about fooling the FIA into homologating the model for WMC racing

search for and download this

SporttechnischerLeitfaden Comp'nPartsList - get English version here NOW - "Information regarding Porsche Vehicles Used for sports Purposes 911 S-914/6 from model 1970"; (print number 4890.20-200-03-72), 45 pages, , inclusive of racing car for GT-group 3 and group 4, 2nd edn
GT m471 Competition Parts List

then, build your own - any way you like it - as long as you start with a genuine sixer serial number - 4cyl conversions don't qualify

see this - (among multiple other debates about the 471 cars)

"The factory had made a bunch of "m471 kits" to change over a 914/6 to a GT. These kits were around for a few years and racers snapped them up to build GT clone cars."
m471 option


there are a lot of different opinions about whether the factory made and/or documented any of the said optioned cars

- for the most part, they did not document them, for reasons well discussed in other places & books;

so COAs are somewhat irrelevant, (and recently reported to be less than accurate by more than a few owners of many Porsche models) - "documented" is a non-issue


also see this m471 and GT issues

Brian Long wrote:

- "... there was a competition version available - the 914/6 GT, homologated in March 1970 .."

- Chapter Five - Motorsport " The 914/6 GT ... was nothing more than a standard 914/6 fitted with the optional R-package"

- " in addition to the works vehicles (12), a large number of cars were converted to GT specifications for customers, either by the factory or by privateers from Porsche supplied parts.

- " the 914/6 GT came in three versions: a customer car for competition/fast roadwork, a track racer developing 220bhp, and a rally model with around 160bhp at the wheels." ... " a 100 litre fuel tank was added on the racer..."

Brett Johnson writes:

- "While there was only one body style, a number of engine types combined with varying trim combinations make restoration of the 914 or 914/6 a bit confusing"

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FIA WMC homologation dictated "one" GT engine that we tend to think "is the only one",

but the rest of european rallye & hillclimb & slalom competitions took many forms and each dictated different torque & HP curves

but as you are learning - a lot of us guys each only have certain snippets of the whole story - and i doubt that anyone is still alive who was employed at Werks1 who actually knows it all & could tell it to us in English

- anybody up for a trip to Stuttgart?

the value of the '70-'71 GT cars as racers was simply in their competitive "2-liter Spezial GT Klasse" advantage -

and as DD points out - every one was a different flavor, pieces selected from the "R" parts list for specific competition purposes, and fitted specifically to their team drivers"

also check out this opinion 914 043 0181 GT for sale - sold

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post Dec 7 2014, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(larryM @ Dec 6 2014, 08:50 PM) *

"471" option was just a list of parts - could be built by anyone with the money


It sounds like you are saying that the M471 option and the 914-6 GT were synonymous? I don't think that's correct... What you said was indeed true for the GT, but I believe that the M471 option was not that. Check the German documentation that Andy posted earlier in the thread.

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post Dec 7 2014, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Dec 7 2014, 09:52 AM) *
Check the German documentation that Andy posted earlier in the thread.


To quote myself:

QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 27 2014, 11:16 AM) *

It seems there is a LOT of confusion about what was part of the m471 package.

This thread has some good info:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=108357


The m471 package ONLY included:

- Metal Fender Flares
- 6x15 Alloy Wheels
- Longer Wheel Studs and 21mm Spacers front/rear


Anything else was extra!

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