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post Dec 18 2014, 04:34 PM
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Hey all, though you might like some eye candy.
Today we had our friends 1980 IMSA 24 Hours of Daytona GTU class winning and 5th overall 914-6 at our shop (carrera6) in San Gabriel, CA
It is still in it's 1983 Sebring livery
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post Dec 18 2014, 05:02 PM
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post Dec 18 2014, 07:16 PM
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Cool but not as cool as being there like I was in 1980...

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post Dec 19 2014, 01:55 PM
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post Dec 19 2014, 01:58 PM
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did that car run as a 2.5 or 3.o by then?
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post Dec 19 2014, 04:04 PM
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GTU was under 2.5 at that time.
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post Dec 19 2014, 04:34 PM
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What year did IMSA allow 914's to go 3.0?

I Actually have considered running a 2.5 IMSA classification
Was the white car at COTA ?
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post Dec 20 2014, 07:23 AM
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What year did IMSA allow 914's to go 3.0?



I don't remember that one but by the time the engine size was increased the RX7 and Toyotas were winning it all.
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post Jan 6 2015, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(brant @ Dec 19 2014, 05:34 PM) *

What year did IMSA allow 914's to go 3.0?



It was 2.8L for a while, maybe from the late 70's or so, and then 3.0L starting in the mid to late 80's. 914's aged out and were no longer legal around the late 80's, so may never have run with the 3.0L in GTU.

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post Jan 7 2015, 06:00 AM
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If I remember correctly this car has a 2.8
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post Jan 7 2015, 09:53 AM
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It is still in it's 1983 Sebring livery

This is the 1983 Sebring Livery
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post Jan 7 2015, 09:55 AM
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If I remember correctly this car has a 2.8

2.5L in the 1980 IMSA rule book
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post Jan 8 2015, 06:17 AM
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If I remember correctly this car has a 2.8

2.5L in the 1980 IMSA rule book
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Probably should have said it now has a 2.8
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post Jul 25 2015, 04:22 PM
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Great photo URY!......love the number and the color and the Ford Pick-Up in the backround, what year is the Econoline thingy?

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post Jul 25 2015, 04:37 PM
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Hi Scott, is that the car inside your hanger in Long Beach seated on the upper level of the lift?
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post Jul 28 2015, 06:45 AM
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guys
where can I find the rule book that shows what was and what is currently legal?
Glen - where did you find that rule?
Scott - do you have something that somewhere shows that a 2.8 or 3.0 was legal?

I need to make some decisions on our engine and would like to make that based on what I may be able to run in vintage racing in the future. From what I've learned (and it always seems to be a moving target) that if it was IMSA legal at some point in the past, I can run. I'd just like to have the documentation to back it up...

At the Hawk, the head of tech gave me shit for months in advance for Papa Smurf - saying things like "take all that crap off the car" and "we don't allow shit like that" referring to the wing and splitter (which I agreed to take off), slicks, fiberglass body, etc...
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post Jul 28 2015, 08:56 AM
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Bob - I just googled for a while looking for "IMSA rulebook" and wasn't finding much at first, but finally noticed that the rulebook is actually called "IMSA Code" and then found a bunch of the early and mid 80s rulebook on this website http://www.mulsannescorner.com/. Scroll to the very bottom and look for "1981 IMSA GTP chassis rules". It looks like the IMSA code/rulebook for that year for all classes including GTU. I see links for the '86, '85, and '81 ones too. Quick summary of what I see:
- In 1981 the GTU limit was 2.5L
- By 1985 the GTU limit had jumped to 3.0L. I guess 2.8L was somewhere in between there.
- The 914/6 was listed as an eligible car in all 4 years. I know it became ineligible in the late 80s, but that must have been after 1987.

I've been looking for these too, so glad I finally found them!

I believe the vintage organizations like HSR and SVRA more or less align their rules with IMSA rules with classes for different periods, and some allowances to encourage participation. It sounds like you've seen those rules already, but they're worth checking as well to make sure your car lines up well with one of their classes.

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post Jul 28 2015, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE(naro914 @ Jul 28 2015, 07:45 AM) *

At the Hawk, the head of tech gave me shit for months in advance for Papa Smurf - saying things like "take all that crap off the car" and "we don't allow shit like that" referring to the wing and splitter (which I agreed to take off), slicks, fiberglass body, etc...

In 2011 I ran at the BRIC which was the predecessor to the Hawk. I was so insulted by Jack and his uneducated critique of my car that I have never been back to race.

I have an IMSA 914 that has the same panels, sticker and scars as when it was built and raced in the 1980s. The irony was that it was one of a few real professional race cars in attendance…as far as I can tell they are trying to make this a concours event.

Jack told me he wanted to create a "snap shoot in time" look during each race that is why my body work from the late '70s was not allowed. I looked at the entry list and there was a 1983 Porsche 944 in our run group...WTF!

I have attended the race for the past 12 years but last year topped them all when a 2010 Boss Mustang was entered in Group 8 and won against cars with engines half its size. It further ruined the race for me because Frank Beck (in a 914/6) usually wins.

As soon as I have finished with my 8 years of research about 914s in IMSA I will publish a book to correctly set allowable engines, wheels and body work for these stubborn tech guys.
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post Jul 28 2015, 11:05 AM
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OK, I must be a moron (don't agree with me!!). I am looking at the '1981 IMSA GTP Chassis Rules" book and can't find 916/6 listed.

EDIT: never mind, I found it. 11.4.8.2
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post Jul 28 2015, 12:03 PM
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so here are two documents that Jack sent me at one point....GTO and GTU specs.

Seems to me that I could run Papa Smurf with a 3.2 engine, no wing or splitter, in GTO. If I went to a 2.999 engine, it could be GTU.

Is that how you read it??



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