I found the rust!, : ) suggestions? Options

[914Next]

The rust spot in the door jam area (first pic) is indicative that there is plenty of rust underneath. Car looks like it was painted at some point. Probably a previous owner got rid of all the rust they could see on the outside and repainted. Problem is that these cars rust from the inside out.

Thanks, but no repaint. This is a one owner car. Documented mileage and history. I've spoken with the original owner several times and he has written a summary of his ownership for my documentation of the car. Sorry but I'm gonna disagree on the comment that the rust spot is indicative that there is plenty of rust underneath. Its not perfect...but its closer than you might think. Thanks.

[Larmo63]

I would pull the rocker covers too. There are plenty of choices in rivets that you can use to put them back on. It's a 10 minute job. (per side) Peace of mind, IMHO

[914Next]

I would pull the rocker covers too. There are plenty of choices in rivets that you can use to put them back on. It's a 10 minute job. (per side) Peace of mind, IMHO

Damn you guys are a tough crowd!! Where's the faith? lol. You know, I'm getting tempted to drop a rocker panel just to settle the score and solve the intrigue that so many of you have. Seriously, I do appreciate the sincere comments of those who are concerned that I do what's right to take care of the car. Thanks. Not convinced I'm going to drop them yet but you can be sure that all of you will be the first to know if I do! I know that it is what I should do. I hear ya. I think what I'll do is scope the longs with a camera. As you all have said, these rust from the inside out. I'll share the video of the scope and then decide from there if I take the rockers off. Gonna need to do that next week though since I'll be busy this weekend.

Thanks agin for all of the good input.

[PanelBilly]

The rust spot in the door jam area (first pic) is indicative that there is plenty of rust underneath. Car looks like it was painted at some point. Probably a previous owner got rid of all the rust they could see on the outside and repainted. Problem is that these cars rust from the inside out.

This spot also concerns me. That little dot is not an easy fix if it's rusted through.

[stevegm]

I would pull the rocker covers too. There are plenty of choices in rivets that you can use to put them back on. It's a 10 minute job. (per side) Peace of mind, IMHO

Damn you guys are a tough crowd!! Where's the faith? lol. You know, I'm getting tempted to drop a rocker panel just to settle the score and solve the intrigue that so many of you have. Seriously, I do appreciate the sincere comments of those who are concerned that I do what's right to take care of the car. Thanks. Not convinced I'm going to drop them yet but you can be sure that all of you will be the first to know if I do! I know that it is what I should do. I hear ya. I think what I'll do is scope the longs with a camera. As you all have said, these rust from the inside out. I'll share the video of the scope and then decide from there if I take the rockers off. Gonna need to do that next week though since I'll be busy this weekend.

Thanks agin for all of the good input.

No worries. This has been an interesting conversation. But if I'm gonna print the shirt, I have to walk the walk. :-) If you want to drop the rocker covers by Super Bowl Sunday (when the shirt group buy ends) I'll send you a free - Save the 914 - shirt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) You won't regret being safe.

[stevegm]

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[stevegm]

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[914Next]

The rust spot in the door jam area (first pic) is indicative that there is plenty of rust underneath. Car looks like it was painted at some point. Probably a previous owner got rid of all the rust they could see on the outside and repainted. Problem is that these cars rust from the inside out.

This spot also concerns me. That little dot is not an easy fix if it's rusted through.

Thanks Billy. Its definitely solid. I poked around on the spot. Won't truly know how bad though till I have someone take a look at it.

Looked further into the hell hole and the left front side of the engine compartment today also. Hell hole is very clean. Left side even cleaner. Very little surface rust but mostly solid painted surface. If I can get a pic with the scope i'll share that also.

[914Next]

I would pull the rocker covers too. There are plenty of choices in rivets that you can use to put them back on. It's a 10 minute job. (per side) Peace of mind, IMHO

Damn you guys are a tough crowd!! Where's the faith? lol. You know, I'm getting tempted to drop a rocker panel just to settle the score and solve the intrigue that so many of you have. Seriously, I do appreciate the sincere comments of those who are concerned that I do what's right to take care of the car. Thanks. Not convinced I'm going to drop them yet but you can be sure that all of you will be the first to know if I do! I know that it is what I should do. I hear ya. I think what I'll do is scope the longs with a camera. As you all have said, these rust from the inside out. I'll share the video of the scope and then decide from there if I take the rockers off. Gonna need to do that next week though since I'll be busy this weekend.

Thanks agin for all of the good input.

No worries. This has been an interesting conversation. But if I'm gonna print the shirt, I have to walk the walk. :-) if you want to drop the rockers by Super Bowl Sunday (when the shirt group buy ends) I'll send you a free - Save the 914 - shirt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) You won't regret being safe.

Interesting offer Steve. Thanks. I already ordered a shirt but I like the offer! Ok, so I'll think about that over the weekend. Just in case I decide to do it, what is the best way to do it? I assume you need to drill out the rivets. Can someone tell me what size bit and if there are any tricks to this? Also does anyone know where I can get replacement rivets?

[stevegm]

I would pull the rocker covers too. There are plenty of choices in rivets that you can use to put them back on. It's a 10 minute job. (per side) Peace of mind, IMHO

Damn you guys are a tough crowd!! Where's the faith? lol. You know, I'm getting tempted to drop a rocker panel just to settle the score and solve the intrigue that so many of you have. Seriously, I do appreciate the sincere comments of those who are concerned that I do what's right to take care of the car. Thanks. Not convinced I'm going to drop them yet but you can be sure that all of you will be the first to know if I do! I know that it is what I should do. I hear ya. I think what I'll do is scope the longs with a camera. As you all have said, these rust from the inside out. I'll share the video of the scope and then decide from there if I take the rockers off. Gonna need to do that next week though since I'll be busy this weekend.

Thanks agin for all of the good input.

No worries. This has been an interesting conversation. But if I'm gonna print the shirt, I have to walk the walk. :-) if you want to drop the rockers by Super Bowl Sunday (when the shirt group buy ends) I'll send you a free - Save the 914 - shirt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) You won't regret being safe.

Interesting offer Steve. Thanks. I already ordered a shirt but I like the offer! Ok, so I'll think about that over the weekend. Just in case I decide to do it, what is the best way to do it? I assume you need to drill out the rivets. Can someone tell me what size bit and if there are any tricks to this? Also does anyone know where I can get replacement rivets?

The three flathead screws on the bottom are usually hard to loosen. I use vice grips to get them lose initially. The rivets are easy. Not sure on the size bit. But someone will chime in here. 914rubber.com should have the rivets. Don't forget the two bolts (one in the front and one in the rear) holding the rocker cover to the fender and quarter panel. I want to say it is 10 mm.

[914Next]

I would pull the rocker covers too. There are plenty of choices in rivets that you can use to put them back on. It's a 10 minute job. (per side) Peace of mind, IMHO

Damn you guys are a tough crowd!! Where's the faith? lol. You know, I'm getting tempted to drop a rocker panel just to settle the score and solve the intrigue that so many of you have. Seriously, I do appreciate the sincere comments of those who are concerned that I do what's right to take care of the car. Thanks. Not convinced I'm going to drop them yet but you can be sure that all of you will be the first to know if I do! I know that it is what I should do. I hear ya. I think what I'll do is scope the longs with a camera. As you all have said, these rust from the inside out. I'll share the video of the scope and then decide from there if I take the rockers off. Gonna need to do that next week though since I'll be busy this weekend.

Thanks agin for all of the good input.

No worries. This has been an interesting conversation. But if I'm gonna print the shirt, I have to walk the walk. :-) if you want to drop the rockers by Super Bowl Sunday (when the shirt group buy ends) I'll send you a free - Save the 914 - shirt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) You won't regret being safe.

Interesting offer Steve. Thanks. I already ordered a shirt but I like the offer! Ok, so I'll think about that over the weekend. Just in case I decide to do it, what is the best way to do it? I assume you need to drill out the rivets. Can someone tell me what size bit and if there are any tricks to this? Also does anyone know where I can get replacement rivets?

The three flathead screws on the bottom are usually hard to loosen. I use vice grips to get them lose initially. The rivets are easy. Not sure on the size bit. But someone will chime in here. 914rubber.com should have the rivets. Don't forget the two bolts (one in the front and one in the rear) holding the rocker cover to the fender and quarter panel. I want to say it is 10 mm.

Thanks, Steve. I've had the bottom screws off and allowed the dust to clear out behind the rockers. No sign of rust in the residue that fell out. I ordered the rivets from 914 rubber...just in case....I decide to do it. : )

If anyone knows what bit size to use, please let me know.

Officially taking wagers on what I find behind those rockers. For all of you who envisioned the worst behind them, step up now. Lets make a wager on what lurks behind the one owner survivor rockers! This could be fun...or depressing...or both.

[boxsterfan]

If the bottom 3 screws came out on both rockers, that is a good sign. On my car, the passenger side rear bottom screw broke off. My longs look good on the outside, but given that screw breaking off on the passenger side, I know there is rust in them there longs.

You can have a look at my "no rust" 1974 here:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=227937&hl=

There are some more close-ups of my passenger jack plate area later in that thread. Again, my car looks pretty good, but I know there is rust up in those longs. My car is no where near "terminal" with the rust cancer like so many 914's (and I doubt yours is either), but all of them have various levels of rust in those longs unless the car has been disassembled, cut, rust-proofed (via various methods and techniques), painted and then hidden from water sources.

All that being said, man these cars are fun to drive.

[astronomerdave]

Wow, I just read this thread with great interest. It was very engaging, the mystery, the wager, ... I couldn't wait to see how it ended. And then it just ended. What happened? What did it look like? Who won the bet? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Anyway, I've not done it before but if I pull my rockers am I going to have access to the heater duct?

[astronomerdave]

Anyway, I've not done it before but if I pull my rockers am I going to have access to the heater duct?

Looks like from pictures in this thread, http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=227937&hl= I have my answer, and that seems to be "no" there is not access to the heater duct. How would I access the heater duct if I suspect that it is broken in between the two ends?

[zambezi]

Hopefully not.

[zambezi]

to access the heater duct you must cut open the longitudinal. Be sure to brace the door opening if going in that deep.

[914Next]

Wow, I just read this thread with great interest. It was very engaging, the mystery, the wager, ... I couldn't wait to see how it ended. And then it just ended. What happened? What did it look like? Who won the bet? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Anyway, I've not done it before but if I pull my rockers am I going to have access to the heater duct?

Yes, there was quite a discussion here. In the end, as I did more cleaning of the car and got input from others who know the cars very well, they all told me not to bother with pulling the rocker covers. I'm fortunate that this car is just super clean Hard to understand until you actually see it. I did take a camera scope to the inside of the longs and while they are dusty/dirty you can see pretty clearly that they are not rusted. I'm a fiend for originality so did not want to remove the original rivets unless there was good reason to.

Sooo....we didn't get to complete the wagers.

[boxsterfan]

How's your channels under the front hood (take out or pull back the rubber)?

How about under the bumpers?

The pics you have posted look good although I am not sure how you are going to repair the rust spot in the door frame area you posted. I guess there is always bondo but that makes you a DAPO if you ever sell the car.

Some more pics of your car would be cool though. Always love to look at other people's cars and the things that have been done (or not done) to them.

[r_towle]

Wow, I just read this thread with great interest. It was very engaging, the mystery, the wager, ... I couldn't wait to see how it ended. And then it just ended. What happened? What did it look like? Who won the bet? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Anyway, I've not done it before but if I pull my rockers am I going to have access to the heater duct?

Yes, there was quite a discussion here. In the end, as I did more cleaning of the car and got input from others who know the cars very well, they all told me not to bother with pulling the rocker covers. I'm fortunate that this car is just super clean Hard to understand until you actually see it. I did take a camera scope to the inside of the longs and while they are dusty/dirty you can see pretty clearly that they are not rusted. I'm a fiend for originality so did not want to remove the original rivets unless there was good reason to.

Sooo....we didn't get to complete the wagers.

Rust is a good reason and you do have it under those rocker covers.
The rivets are available from several guys here, just ask around.
It's not a bet, you do have rust, you can see it in those pictures.

[billh1963]

Rust is a good reason and you do have it under those rocker covers.
The rivets are available from several guys here, just ask around.
It's not a bet, you do have rust, you can see it in those pictures.

Doubt the rockers will get pulled. It's called "plausible deniability" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)