 Stoddard producing new 914-6 heat exchangers, Appear to be high-quality factory reproductions |
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| EdwardBlume |
 Sep 11 2015, 06:53 AM
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QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Sep 11 2015, 05:41 AM)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| siverson |
Sep 11 2015, 08:06 AM
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| johnhora |
Sep 11 2015, 08:35 AM
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They have fixed the design issue....
They provided a full refund to the purchasers plus paid for return shipping of the defective units. They have offered to pay shipping to those original buyers for new units. The Stoddards team is first class and are Porsche owners and Porsche Nuts... They have always been upstanding in my personal dealings with them and the products I have purchased have always been OEM or OEM compatible. |
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| sbsix |
Sep 11 2015, 09:20 AM
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only the lead dog enjoys a change in scenery... Group: Members Posts: 449 Joined: 10-January 12 From: Santa Barbara, CA Member No.: 13,990 Region Association: Southern California |
No word from Dansk or Stoddard yet. Toolguy and I have been checking in with them periodically.
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| Cairo94507 |
Sep 11 2015, 09:35 AM
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| sbsix |
Sep 11 2015, 09:37 AM
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only the lead dog enjoys a change in scenery... Group: Members Posts: 449 Joined: 10-January 12 From: Santa Barbara, CA Member No.: 13,990 Region Association: Southern California |
Just checked in with Stoddard and they have a few in stock of the new batch. Ordered another set and should have them next week. I'll let every body know how they fit.
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| bigkensteele |
Sep 11 2015, 09:49 AM
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I just got mine a couple of weeks ago, but it will be a LONG time before I install them. Is it safe to assume that they would be the corrected version? I am a bit nervous now.
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| Maltese Falcon |
Sep 11 2015, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(9146986 @ Feb 4 2015, 02:44 PM) I tried to get Dansk to work with me to make thosed, some 15 years ago. I sent a set to them, and they weren't interested. Told me whatever tooling they ever might have had for those had long since been scrapped on the instruction from Porsche. Hmmmm Porsche has always funneled contract work out to satellite mfgs. especially exhaust. In the '70s the HB'S were probably built by Bischoff, Eberspacher, Leistritz, or Dansk. Today the new 991 gt3 titanium headers are US made. As far as qc goes with these new Stoddard repops, I've seen some of the reports + photos here on this thread... not a high qc operation.There is no excuse for sloppy tolerances like this/ then packed up and shipped to a customer. The few exhaust mfgs. here on world, myself included know how bad your reputation will suffer with C- parts being sold. Stoddard is doing the right thing, but their problem needs to be corrected in the factory.  |
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| db9146 |
Sep 11 2015, 11:27 AM
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How 'bout a line of MSDS heat exchangers?
That twin turbo monster you're building is going to go through a lot of tires and gas!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| sbsix |
Sep 11 2015, 11:29 AM
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only the lead dog enjoys a change in scenery... Group: Members Posts: 449 Joined: 10-January 12 From: Santa Barbara, CA Member No.: 13,990 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(bigkensteele @ Sep 11 2015, 08:49 AM) I just got mine a couple of weeks ago, but it will be a LONG time before I install them. Is it safe to assume that they would be the corrected version? I am a bit nervous now. Toolguy on this forum has a template for fitment based on his OE HEs. I would email him to ask for a paper copy to transfer to plexiglas to double check the Stoddard replacements. |
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| bigkensteele |
Sep 11 2015, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(sbsix @ Sep 11 2015, 09:29 AM) QUOTE(bigkensteele @ Sep 11 2015, 08:49 AM) I just got mine a couple of weeks ago, but it will be a LONG time before I install them. Is it safe to assume that they would be the corrected version? I am a bit nervous now. Toolguy on this forum has a template for fitment based on his OE HEs. I would email him to ask for a paper copy to transfer to plexiglas to double check the Stoddard replacements. Actually, after I posted, I realized that I still have the 911 exchangers that came with the motor, so I can make my own template. I plan on doing that this weekend and reporting back. |
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| JmuRiz |
Sep 11 2015, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(db9146 @ Sep 11 2015, 09:27 AM) How 'bout a line of MSDS heat exchangers? That twin turbo monster you're building is going to go through a lot of tires and gas!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I have a feeling that's not going to happen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) A retro fit for his headers would rock, but being they are ceramic coated they probably won't work great with the coating....unless someone tells me I'm incorrect. |
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| Maltese Falcon |
Sep 11 2015, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Sep 11 2015, 12:26 PM) QUOTE(db9146 @ Sep 11 2015, 09:27 AM) How 'bout a line of MSDS heat exchangers? That twin turbo monster you're building is going to go through a lot of tires and gas!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I have a feeling that's not going to happen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) A retro fit for his headers would rock, but being they are ceramic coated they probably won't work great with the coating....unless someone tells me I'm incorrect. We repair/ ceramic coat oe heater boxes all the time. The factory used a high temp paint and in wet climates didn't last...which compromised the steel. I'm not game just yet on getting into the HB business, but for a consultation fee I will correct Stoddard's QC manufacturing issue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| JmuRiz |
Sep 11 2015, 02:54 PM
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I meant I have MSDS ceramic headers for my conversion...and with that nice coating I don't think the heat would heat up the heater boxes enough to cook you in the cabin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| horizontally-opposed |
Sep 11 2015, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Sep 11 2015, 01:40 PM) QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Sep 11 2015, 12:26 PM) QUOTE(db9146 @ Sep 11 2015, 09:27 AM) How 'bout a line of MSDS heat exchangers? That twin turbo monster you're building is going to go through a lot of tires and gas!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I have a feeling that's not going to happen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) A retro fit for his headers would rock, but being they are ceramic coated they probably won't work great with the coating....unless someone tells me I'm incorrect. We repair/ ceramic coat oe heater boxes all the time. The factory used a high temp paint and in wet climates didn't last...which compromised the steel. I'm not game just yet on getting into the HB business, but for a consultation fee I will correct Stoddard's QC manufacturing issue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'd be very interested in a set of your headers with HBs done by you. There is no good aftermarket solution. Most look questionable, and I don't hear good things about how they work. The Dansk HEs (and used factory HEs) are $,$$$ with too many issues or potential issues. The other nice thing about a setup from you would be people with bigger displacement sixes might have a shot at heat with correct tube sizing. Ceramic coating would be a nice option, as I don't need a lot of heat, and the last set of SSIs made too much unless you turned the heat down. |
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| Cairo94507 |
Sep 11 2015, 04:21 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,722 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California
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I too would be interested in headers with heat exchangers made by Maltese Falcon. At this point Scotty is blasting and patching up my stock heat exchangers and then I am going to have them Jet Hot coated. I would like to go with a larger size tubing to accommodate the 3.2 motor.
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| Maltese Falcon |
Sep 11 2015, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Sep 11 2015, 02:10 PM) QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Sep 11 2015, 01:40 PM) QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Sep 11 2015, 12:26 PM) QUOTE(db9146 @ Sep 11 2015, 09:27 AM) How 'bout a line of MSDS heat exchangers? That twin turbo monster you're building is going to go through a lot of tires and gas!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I have a feeling that's not going to happen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) A retro fit for his headers would rock, but being they are ceramic coated they probably won't work great with the coating....unless someone tells me I'm incorrect. We repair/ ceramic coat oe heater boxes all the time. The factory used a high temp paint and in wet climates didn't last...which compromised the steel. I'm not game just yet on getting into the HB business, but for a consultation fee I will correct Stoddard's QC manufacturing issue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'd be very interested in a set of your headers with HBs done by you. There is no good aftermarket solution. Most look questionable, and I don't hear good things about how they work. The Dansk HEs (and used factory HEs) are $,$$$ with too many issues or potential issues. The other nice thing about a setup from you would be people with bigger displacement sixes might have a shot at heat with correct tube sizing. Ceramic coating would be a nice option, as I don't need a lot of heat, and the last set of SSIs made too much unless you turned the heat down. Pete If you get a moment at Renn5, drop by the MSDS exhibit we can have a quick chat about this most entertaining topic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Space #7 in the merchant row. Marty |
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| horizontally-opposed |
Sep 11 2015, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Sep 11 2015, 03:34 PM) QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Sep 11 2015, 02:10 PM) QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Sep 11 2015, 01:40 PM) QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Sep 11 2015, 12:26 PM) QUOTE(db9146 @ Sep 11 2015, 09:27 AM) How 'bout a line of MSDS heat exchangers? That twin turbo monster you're building is going to go through a lot of tires and gas!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I have a feeling that's not going to happen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) A retro fit for his headers would rock, but being they are ceramic coated they probably won't work great with the coating....unless someone tells me I'm incorrect. We repair/ ceramic coat oe heater boxes all the time. The factory used a high temp paint and in wet climates didn't last...which compromised the steel. I'm not game just yet on getting into the HB business, but for a consultation fee I will correct Stoddard's QC manufacturing issue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'd be very interested in a set of your headers with HBs done by you. There is no good aftermarket solution. Most look questionable, and I don't hear good things about how they work. The Dansk HEs (and used factory HEs) are $,$$$ with too many issues or potential issues. The other nice thing about a setup from you would be people with bigger displacement sixes might have a shot at heat with correct tube sizing. Ceramic coating would be a nice option, as I don't need a lot of heat, and the last set of SSIs made too much unless you turned the heat down. Pete If you get a moment at Renn5, drop by the MSDS exhibit we can have a quick chat about this most entertaining topic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Space #7 in the merchant row. Marty I like it. Will look for you! pete |
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| bigkensteele |
Sep 11 2015, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE(bigkensteele @ Sep 11 2015, 10:34 AM) QUOTE(sbsix @ Sep 11 2015, 09:29 AM) QUOTE(bigkensteele @ Sep 11 2015, 08:49 AM) I just got mine a couple of weeks ago, but it will be a LONG time before I install them. Is it safe to assume that they would be the corrected version? I am a bit nervous now. Toolguy on this forum has a template for fitment based on his OE HEs. I would email him to ask for a paper copy to transfer to plexiglas to double check the Stoddard replacements. Actually, after I posted, I realized that I still have the 911 exchangers that came with the motor, so I can make my own template. I plan on doing that this weekend and reporting back. Well, my first preliminary check tonight is somewhat discouraging. I took a small level and laid it across the flanges to see if they were on or close to a plane. They are not.    These last two are of the 911 unit that came with my motor. MUCH more level.   I think that I have some 1/8 plate around the garage somewhere. If I can squeeze it in this weekend, I will make a jig and see if the bolt holes line up and how much force it takes to bring these into plane. However, given that they are visibly out and it is steel (exchangers) vs. aluminum (heads), I don't know that I want to live with that kind of stress pulling at my exhaust studs. More to come... |
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| SirAndy |
Sep 11 2015, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(bigkensteele @ Sep 11 2015, 07:43 PM) Well, my first preliminary check tonight is somewhat discouraging. I took a small level and laid it across the flanges to see if they were on or close to a plane. They are not. QA is a thing of the past ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) |
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