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| Chris H. |
 May 15 2018, 07:29 AM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 4,027 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest 
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Chip only.
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| flmont |
May 15 2018, 02:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 879 Joined: 21-October 08 From: Tucson,Az Member No.: 9,676 Region Association: Southwest Region
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oh,..good Thanks
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| KELTY360 |
May 16 2018, 08:16 AM
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914 Neferati Group: Members Posts: 5,029 Joined: 31-December 05 From: Pt. Townsend, WA Member No.: 5,344 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(Chris H. @ May 14 2018, 06:56 AM)  It does creep up on you doesn't it? I picked up a Stage 1 ecutune chip last week for my 914 and MAN does it make a difference. I'm on the hunt for an EG33 or EZ30. Steve has some big HP Plans so he should hang on to that spare motor for now. I'll find one soon I'm sure. I'm curious what specific benefits you've gotten from the chip. I've got a Stage 1 v 5 chip that was never installed when we did the conversion because we wanted to see how the engine worked without it. I kind of forgot about the chip but you've jogged my memory. At the time, it was purported that it would allow use of regular grade gas instead of premium. That would be a great savings by itself, especially with the crap that's out there now. |
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| Chris H. |
May 16 2018, 08:47 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,027 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Marc,
The "seat of your pants" difference is that it's more responsive and has fewer parameters to monitor so the minor hesitation that you might find occasionally with the stock ECU is gone. Seems like the power curve has been slightly altered. It does allow the use of regular gas if you want. You install a switch that you can toggle back and forth between. I bought the ECU with the chip so it has a switch installed if you want pics of it. Very simple on/off that is powered by a keyed source. The regular/premium switch was apparently also designed alternatively to be used in conjunction with nitrous so it must retard the timing slightly. Might be nice for highway trips. Regular gas is almost $1 cheaper around here. |
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| KELTY360 |
May 16 2018, 08:49 PM
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914 Neferati Group: Members Posts: 5,029 Joined: 31-December 05 From: Pt. Townsend, WA Member No.: 5,344 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(Chris H. @ May 16 2018, 07:47 AM) Marc, The "seat of your pants" difference is that it's more responsive and has fewer parameters to monitor so the minor hesitation that you might find occasionally with the stock ECU is gone. Seems like the power curve has been slightly altered. It does allow the use of regular gas if you want. You install a switch that you can toggle back and forth between. I bought the ECU with the chip so it has a switch installed if you want pics of it. Very simple on/off that is powered by a keyed source. The regular/premium switch was apparently also designed alternatively to be used in conjunction with nitrous so it must retard the timing slightly. Might be nice for highway trips. Regular gas is almost $1 cheaper around here. Does the chip benefit mpg or is the savings vs. higher octane the benefit? Also, I didn’t realize the hesitation was ecu related. |
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| Chris H. |
May 16 2018, 09:18 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,027 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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I haven’t driven it long enough to assess MPG but will let you know. Most people on the SVX board say they got a heavier right foot after installing the chip so MPG went down a bit. It was designed to increase performance and smooth out the power curve but in 87 octane mode the timing would be slightly retarded which may also increase MPG. And the gas is cheaper of course.
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| 76-914 |
Jul 12 2018, 08:39 AM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,488 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(gymnastlymph @ Jul 12 2018, 07:11 AM) QUOTE(KELTY360 @ Feb 18 2015, 10:42 AM) Mixed results in the Vanagon world. I know two guys who did the Bostig swap and then switched to Subaru /4s. I know others who love them. The guys who switched weren't impressed with the torque of the Focus. I think those who are happy with their Bostigs are just glad to be done with the waterboxer. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/birthday3.gif) I bought a E-Hybrid Panamera S 2 years ago. I love its fuel efficiency. Its the best sports-sedan i ever seen. But, now a days i am facing problem with my V6 Engine. Will anyone suggest me how to customize the electric motor to improve its parformance? I doubt that anyone here will be able to assist you with that, Everyone at this site is s "Petro Head"! Now if you had a 914 model this would be your place. Good luck with your search. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| KELTY360 |
Oct 9 2018, 03:44 PM
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914 Neferati Group: Members Posts: 5,029 Joined: 31-December 05 From: Pt. Townsend, WA Member No.: 5,344 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(Chris H. @ May 16 2018, 07:47 AM) Marc, The "seat of your pants" difference is that it's more responsive and has fewer parameters to monitor so the minor hesitation that you might find occasionally with the stock ECU is gone. Seems like the power curve has been slightly altered. It does allow the use of regular gas if you want. You install a switch that you can toggle back and forth between. I bought the ECU with the chip so it has a switch installed if you want pics of it. Very simple on/off that is powered by a keyed source. The regular/premium switch was apparently also designed alternatively to be used in conjunction with nitrous so it must retard the timing slightly. Might be nice for highway trips. Regular gas is almost $1 cheaper around here. Just to report back, I've just had some upgrades done prior to moving to a small town. Had my ECUTune v.5 (now called Subiechips) chip installed with a switch for regular gas. Haven't tried reg. yet but the difference is noticeable. As mentioned, the hesitation is now gone and the 'seat of the pants' power band is noticeably improved. I also had my exhaust modified with a longer path to reduce backpressure in order to prevent backfiring. I thought the EG33 was great before, but now it's an order of magnitude better. Can't wait for a road trip! The s/s headers which I got from Smallcar developed many small cracks which were undoubtedly causing vacuum leaks so I can't attribute all improvements to the chip, but overall it performs like a new van. I'll post some pics of the exhaust when I get a chance. |
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| flmont |
Oct 9 2018, 05:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 879 Joined: 21-October 08 From: Tucson,Az Member No.: 9,676 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Is that the same chip that if you go to bigger 300 ZX injector's (370's I think ) and the 300ZX MAF that it is suppose to increase your HP/TQ up to Claims of 30 HP.
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| KELTY360 |
Oct 9 2018, 05:34 PM
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914 Neferati Group: Members Posts: 5,029 Joined: 31-December 05 From: Pt. Townsend, WA Member No.: 5,344 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(flmont @ Oct 9 2018, 04:23 PM) Is that the same chip that if you go to bigger 300 ZX injector's (370's I think ) and the 300ZX MAF that it is suppose to increase your HP/TQ up to Claims of 30 HP. I don't know. Maybe one of these other H6 guys will know. |
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| flmont |
Oct 9 2018, 05:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 879 Joined: 21-October 08 From: Tucson,Az Member No.: 9,676 Region Association: Southwest Region
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OK,..Thanks..I know that performance chip does come from Subiechips in Fla.But Iam not sure how many versions there are.
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| Chris H. |
Oct 10 2018, 08:49 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,027 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Awesome news Marc! It's a lot more responsive, right?
As I understand it the stock ECU was programmed with a few too many parameters, so it was constantly trying to learn and improve itself, considering altitude, driving style, fuel economy, emissions, etc. This is why the stock ECU can make the engine feel just a little different every time you drive it. That chip gives it a fairly static map based on the JDM tune and tells it "just keep the air/fuel mix at X". Frank, there are a couple of versions of the chip. The one we have is for stock injectors. Here is a link to the site for the chips (both versions) subiechips The guy is also active on the subaru-svx.net forums under the screen name longassname. |
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| flmont |
Oct 10 2018, 08:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 879 Joined: 21-October 08 From: Tucson,Az Member No.: 9,676 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Thank You,...Sir Chris
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| Tom_T |
Oct 28 2018, 08:36 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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Well .... we picked up another toy yesterday!
I know, I know .... it's "Repetitively Redundant" towed with a Westy full camper, but think of it as a guest house for the grandkids! Also, since it's a 1970, it's eligible for the vintage trailer events which we go to (the Westy is too young!), we can go with this, & since it's small car towable, we can tow it with the Westy, & with the 85 325e & 914-2.0 - if I put hitches on them. 1970 Eriba Puck (German made Export model & appliances/water/LP/electrical gear finished fitting-out in CA with the CA-HCD RV/Trailer Approval Plate), 12' L (10' L box) x 5.5' W, 660 lbs empty, 70 lbs hitch wt. - sleeps 2-3 at dinette made into bed, 2 burner LP stove, Icebox (some had the optional 3-way fridge), sink & +/-10 gal. fresh water tank, center pop-top lifts for standing room & down to fit in a normal ht. garage.     Wife is happy now! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif) Cheers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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| 76-914 |
Oct 28 2018, 09:11 PM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,488 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California
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That is soo sweet. Congrats on your acquisition. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| burton73 |
Oct 28 2018, 09:56 PM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,487 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California
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Tom,
Congratulation. Super nice. Enjoy in good health! Bob B (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif) |
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| euro911 |
Oct 28 2018, 11:13 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,845 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California
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That's really cool, Tom. In my case, the only issue is that it would need a bathroom/shower to make it 'wife friendly' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
I got my '84 Westy back a couple months ago - with a new 2.1L, so it should be able to pull a small trailer - slowly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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| Tom_T |
Oct 29 2018, 01:12 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(euro911 @ Oct 28 2018, 10:13 PM) That's really cool, Tom. In my case, the only issue is that it would need a bathroom/shower to make it 'wife friendly' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I got my '84 Westy back a couple months ago - with a new 2.1L, so it should be able to pull a small trailer - slowly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Yes Mark - slowly! Plus you need more room to stop the little rig. Our Westy is also the stock 2.1L. Eriba does make the newer Pucks with a tiny bathroom, as well as in bigger models with baths up to the Trolls & Tritons, & a San Diego company makes a Puck copy with a bath option IIRC. You just need to watch the trailer wt. & hitch wt. with small cars! We'll get a Thetford porta-potty for the Westy & Puck, & I already have a solar shower for it - both of which can be used with the Lil Pucker, but don't know if that will satisfy your wife. We already have a bigger restored 1960 Avion T20 trailer with a full bath (which we're using for facilities at home right now during our home resto), but it requires a larger tow vehicle. The Avion is for full on "Glamping"! We've been showing our Westy with the Avion T20 at the Newport Dunes Vintage Trailer/RV Rally since 2013:  . Now the Lil' Pucker gives us an option to tow a small camper with our 325e & Westy (& maybe 914?). Note that - while the Puck names offers endless puns that both my wife & I use - that isn't the name which she's given "her cute little trailer"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . Thanx for all of the great comments everybody! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| euro911 |
Oct 29 2018, 05:28 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,845 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California
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We have a Thetford porta-potty. Need to concoct some sort of shower though ...
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| Tom_T |
Oct 29 2018, 07:32 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(euro911 @ Oct 29 2018, 04:28 PM) We have a Thetford porta-potty. Need to concoct some sort of shower though ... Mark, Zodi has a pop-up / fold up shower enclosure, & propane powered intstate water heaters - http://zodi.com/hot-showers GoWesty used to carry them both, but they also have a couple of PVC Solar Heated Bag for shower heated water, which we got one - http://www.gowesty.com/product/portable-sh...solar-shower?v= http://www.gowesty.com/product/portable-sh...er-5-gallon-?v= http://www.gowesty.com/search-results.php?...h_phrase=Shower . I got a rear hatch tent enclosure which slips over the rear hatch while up, which we can use for "outside facilities" of porta-potty & shower when camping. IIRC it was from Bus Depot in PA. PS - VW Bus Shop / Perter Gunzl in Germany is another parts & accessories source to check first, because you get your order within a week or so, they have loads of parts, their prices are better than GoWesty, Bus Depot, Van Cafe, etc. - & those guys buy them from him & mark it up to sell to us! http://www.vwbusshop.de/en_GB . GoWesty also makes a repro of the Euro Option Storage box for Westy's behind the passenger seat, which will hold the porta-potty, & they sell the Thetford (but Walmart, Amazon etc may be cheaper). http://www.gowesty.com/product/storage-org...reproduction?v= http://www.gowesty.com/product/portable-to...table-toilet?v= . I'm still on the fence about getting the box myself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Cheers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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