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> Door impact bars... What year did they start?
altitude411
post Mar 30 2015, 12:16 PM
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Question for you gurus... what year did the impact bars inside the doors start being implemented?
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post Mar 30 2015, 12:21 PM
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There were some early 73 cars that did not have the door bars or updated window winders.
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post Mar 31 2015, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE(Travis Neff @ Mar 30 2015, 10:21 AM) *

There were some early 73 cars that did not have the door bars or updated window winders.


If they did, then they were using the old early doors & regulators (winders), because the later regulators won't fit in the early doors as someone noted above.

Another reason later 73-76 cars could have late doors without side beams, is that apparently most of the repair part doors had no side beams - apparently due some loophole in the side impact law then - according to a couple of first person sources I know from Porsche+Audi dealers back in the 70's.

Also PO's could've changed to the lighter no side-beam doors for AX, rally & race reasons.

So a few 914s after the 1/1/73 effective date could also have replacement doors without beams.

FYI - My early 73 with 8/31/72 Chassis No. build date has the "early" late doors without side beams, late regulators & originally had the window handles with the chrome arms (later changed to black by OO/PO & me as they broke with use).

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post Mar 31 2015, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(Tom_T @ Mar 31 2015, 08:26 PM) *
QUOTE(Travis Neff @ Mar 30 2015, 10:21 AM) *

There were some early 73 cars that did not have the door bars or updated window winders.
If they did, then they were using the old early doors & regulators (winders), because the later regulators won't fit in the early doors as someone noted above.

Early '73 doors have the later style windows regulator mechanism but *no* door bar reinforcement beams.

They have the best of both, the light weight of the early doors and the better regulators from the later doors.


I happen to have a set of those early '73 doors in my shed that will one day go onto my real /6 ...
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 31 2015, 08:36 PM) *

QUOTE(Tom_T @ Mar 31 2015, 08:26 PM) *
QUOTE(Travis Neff @ Mar 30 2015, 10:21 AM) *

There were some early 73 cars that did not have the door bars or updated window winders.
If they did, then they were using the old early doors & regulators (winders), because the later regulators won't fit in the early doors as someone noted above.

Early '73 doors have the later style windows regulator mechanism but *no* door bar reinforcement beams.

They have the best of both, the light weight of the early doors and the better regulators from the later doors.


I happen to have a set of those early '73 doors in my shed that will one day go onto my real /6 ...
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So I am confused by these posts.

If the body build tags assigned mean nothing about when the chassis was shipped from the factory, then you have to go by the vin number right?

If the car was shipped and then tagged with a date, then would that mean that of that date the car met US FED DOT regulations for automobiles?

I can understand the window regulators being different but if the DOT reg for a car sold in 73 must have side beam protection....then shouldn't the doors have had them?


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altitude411   Door impact bars... What year did they start?   Mar 30 2015, 12:16 PM
Cairo94507   1973 I believe.   Mar 30 2015, 12:17 PM
billh1963   1973 I believe. Yep. From what I've read e...   Mar 30 2015, 12:21 PM
SirAndy   Yep. From what I've read early '73 cars do...   Mar 30 2015, 12:21 PM
Travis Neff   There were some early 73 cars that did not have th...   Mar 30 2015, 12:21 PM
Tom_T   There were some early 73 cars that did not have t...   Mar 31 2015, 09:26 PM
SirAndy   There were some early 73 cars that did not have t...   Mar 31 2015, 09:36 PM
914_teener   [quote name='Tom_T' post='2168124' date='Mar 31 2...   Mar 31 2015, 10:36 PM
SirAndy   I can understand the window regulators being diffe...   Mar 31 2015, 10:53 PM
SirAndy   If the car was shipped and then tagged with a date...   Mar 31 2015, 10:57 PM
914_teener   If the car was shipped and then tagged with a dat...   Apr 1 2015, 12:23 AM
altitude411   Thanks guys. :beer2:   Mar 30 2015, 12:29 PM
914Sixer   1973 model cars made from Aug to Dec 72 for the US...   Mar 30 2015, 03:44 PM
damesandhotrods   NHTSA Standard No. 214 – Side Impact Protection ...   Mar 30 2015, 05:45 PM
914_teener   NHTSA Standard No. 214 – Side Impact Protection...   Mar 30 2015, 06:20 PM
ThePaintedMan   Weird. I think mine is 4/73 and it doesn't hav...   Mar 30 2015, 08:54 PM
SirAndy   Weird. I think mine is 4/73 and it doesn't hav...   Mar 30 2015, 11:12 PM
Garold Shaffer   I have early 73 doors with no side beam with the l...   Mar 31 2015, 05:40 AM
Olympic 1.7   I have early 73 doors with no side beam with the ...   Mar 31 2015, 06:18 AM
914Sixer   It is looking like the old hit and miss. They use...   Mar 31 2015, 06:16 AM
scotty b   It is looking like the old hit and miss. They us...   Mar 31 2015, 06:42 AM
damesandhotrods   It is looking like the old hit and miss. They us...   Mar 31 2015, 09:44 AM
altitude411   This brings up another question for me... (briefl...   Mar 31 2015, 09:31 AM
SirAndy   This brings up another question for me... (briefl...   Mar 31 2015, 09:59 AM
Dave_Darling   This brings up another question for me... (brief...   Mar 31 2015, 09:52 PM
altitude411   Ha. Should be relatively easy to spot then... :...   Mar 31 2015, 11:27 AM
horizontally-opposed   FWIW, 4732900193 has early doors, early windows, e...   Mar 31 2015, 10:20 PM
Olympic 1.7   OK to drag this out a little further.... if you h...   Apr 1 2015, 10:33 AM
SirAndy   OK to drag this out a little further.... if you ...   Apr 1 2015, 10:58 AM
altitude411   :deadhorse: These are the doors on my '70 si...   Apr 1 2015, 11:06 AM
SirAndy   do early regulators fit in late doors? Nope, compl...   Apr 1 2015, 03:32 PM
whatabout1   My '73 has bars and late regulators. The int...   Apr 1 2015, 11:50 AM
altitude411   So these aren't late doors? Those are impact b...   Apr 1 2015, 03:45 PM
SirAndy   So these aren't late doors? They are LATE doo...   Apr 1 2015, 03:54 PM
altitude411   Humm... I pulled the regulators and they are cable...   Apr 1 2015, 03:59 PM
SirAndy   Humm... I pulled the regulators and they are cable...   Apr 1 2015, 04:26 PM
altitude411   I completely understand & agree w/everything y...   Apr 1 2015, 04:44 PM
Olympic 1.7   Maybe someone put the early inner panels on later ...   Apr 1 2015, 05:46 PM
altitude411   Oly 1.7; I would think it would be much easier to ...   Apr 2 2015, 01:00 AM
scotty b   early door, early regulator. ( Cairo's - 6 )   Apr 2 2015, 08:53 AM
scotty b   late door ( late 73 on ) and Early door together. ...   Apr 2 2015, 08:54 AM
scotty b   I also have some early 73 doors in storage if anyo...   Apr 2 2015, 08:56 AM
altitude411   hair trigger...   Apr 2 2015, 09:14 AM
altitude411   Thanks for the pics Scotty. So an early regulator...   Apr 2 2015, 09:19 AM
altitude411   Ok, to round out my learning curve.... :korijo: ...   Apr 2 2015, 09:23 AM


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