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> butt head, butt weld.., I need some help
TravisNeff
post Feb 14 2005, 02:09 PM
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Hey all,

I have been trying to patch up A/C holes in my tub and having a helluva time blowing holes in the metal and voids around the weld area. I start with tacks in the corners and start tacking around the world in an offset pattern, when I have about 12 tacks in a circle I try to join the tacs. However when I tac, I most always blow a hole in the new sheet metal, or in the old panel. I have the worst time in the vertical position. I have ground down both sides of the panel (and patch) to clean metal. If I am not blowing a hole, only about 50% of the weld gets good penetration, when I hit it a little longer I blow a hole. I have even used a sorta chill bar to back the joint (1" copper pipe squished flat with a bend, suggested by another lister). Also, I am making most of my holes just buzzing a tack, not so much once I have an arc established.

I have a Millermatic 175, using .023 wire and Argon/CO2 (about 24lbs pressure when I hit the switch), Guide states I should use #2 on voltage and 50 on the wire feed speed. I have no problems welding lap joints at these settings and it sounds like bacon frying when it does it, so I know I am close.

I have gone down to 1.5 on voltage and reduced the wire feed to 40, still no luck. I have expanded my stickout (experimenting with 1" plus down to the 3/8's I normally do). The welds suck. Once I get done and grind the welds down smooth I almost always find a crack/void where the metal joins the weld. Weld, grind, weld grind. I can eventually get it right, fixing each one of the patches once I grind it down. I have tried the butt weld clamps, but the gap is huge, I can get the metal to almost (or actually touch) and hold it in with a magnet.

What am I missing? Should I be using metal ready to clean the metal even further, try another technique? I am holding the gun at an upward angle and a touch over to the side (hell I have tried just about everything).

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Travis Neff   butt head, butt weld..   Feb 14 2005, 02:09 PM
Mueller   it's just practice...are you making little cir...   Feb 14 2005, 02:19 PM
Travis Neff   Ahh practice, I have been doing a lot of that. Wh...   Feb 14 2005, 02:29 PM
Travis Neff   Oh, no little circles - I will try that. I am alm...   Feb 14 2005, 02:30 PM
TimT   Sounds like to much juice, even though the book sa...   Feb 14 2005, 04:28 PM
MarkV   I have been going through the same thing. Using a ...   Feb 14 2005, 05:09 PM
Eric_Shea   After reading the first post I would have said slo...   Feb 14 2005, 05:20 PM
SirAndy   <...   Feb 14 2005, 05:34 PM
chunger   I thought jack burton said, "It's all in the r...   Feb 14 2005, 06:00 PM
riverman   Try and have a small gap between the two pieces of...   Feb 14 2005, 06:06 PM
MarkV   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Feb 14 2005, 06:13 PM
John Kelly   Also try welding more briefly. A quick zap, then ...   Feb 14 2005, 06:46 PM
trekkor   I don't understand why everyone wants to do bu...   Feb 14 2005, 07:30 PM
9146986   What everyone says about technique is right. Prac...   Feb 14 2005, 09:38 PM
xsboost90   yeah, lay off he juice...or speed and volts that i...   Feb 14 2005, 09:49 PM
Mueller   <...   Feb 14 2005, 09:52 PM
trekkor   So I'll have to replace the battery tray and a...   Feb 14 2005, 10:04 PM
MarkV   I just did it for cosmetics. Now that I spent 3 ho...   Feb 14 2005, 10:11 PM
trekkor   Looks great. Nice job. When I said "invisible", I...   Feb 14 2005, 10:24 PM
MarkV   Yea, I screwed up and made a bunch of extra work f...   Feb 14 2005, 10:32 PM
Mueller     Feb 14 2005, 10:38 PM
Travis Neff   If I go down to 1 or even 1.5 I can see the arc st...   Feb 14 2005, 10:39 PM
Travis Neff   Sorry I should have said low voltage and really lo...   Feb 14 2005, 10:44 PM
TimT   If you can see the wire burn up to the nozzle, you...   Feb 15 2005, 06:40 AM
Brando   <...   Feb 15 2005, 10:38 AM
trekkor   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/h...   Feb 15 2005, 10:53 AM
Travis Neff   Ok, so I went down to 1, then .5 on voltage and ke...   Feb 16 2005, 10:39 AM
John Kelly     Feb 16 2005, 04:54 PM
9146986     Feb 16 2005, 05:37 PM
trekkor   Must... resist...debate. http://www...   Feb 16 2005, 05:48 PM
Travis Neff   You obviously have missed Zois' avatar, but he...   Feb 16 2005, 06:03 PM
John Kelly   <...   Feb 17 2005, 08:48 AM
scotty b   <...   Feb 17 2005, 08:59 AM
Mueller   <...   Feb 17 2005, 09:09 AM
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John Kelly   KT, Thanks for the kudos, but I'm no master.....   Feb 17 2005, 02:42 PM


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