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914itis |
May 16 2015, 09:22 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
I installed the heat exchangers on the six , all flappers and hoses installed with the exception of the blower tube. The output for the blower is capped.
I started he car and let it idle for 25 minutes and no heat . Do I need the blower on the six exchangers ? Where can I get these j tubes? |
screenguy914 |
May 16 2015, 10:53 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 249 Joined: 6-July 09 From: So. Cal Member No.: 10,540 Region Association: Southern California |
Can you post a photo of your engine compartment and under-engine cabin air components? There's something askew with your hot air path/passages.
If you equipped and plumbed your system like an early 911s, you don't need the engine-mounted blower motor, although it does provide more air volume through the system, especially at idle and low speed. Sherwood |
Cairo94507 |
May 16 2015, 11:04 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,750 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
I agree 100%- a stock Six heat exchanger system will cook you out of the car. Even without using the blower motor heat comes in well enough on its own.
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mepstein |
May 17 2015, 04:59 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,269 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
the heat should pour out when you step on the gas. The engine fan will force a lot more air through than an electric fan.
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Spoke |
May 17 2015, 06:54 AM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,978 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
the heat should pour out when you step on the gas. The engine fan will force a lot more air through than an electric fan. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I get very little hot air in my 930 at idle. Once the engine gets spooled up like on a highway there is more heat. I would like to add an electric fan to my system to get more heat out of it. |
GeorgeRud |
May 17 2015, 08:36 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
If you're using a later large displacement engine, you do need to either backdate to the heat outlet engine tin (with the air horns), or figure out a way to get the air from the blower motor to the heat exchangers' inlets. My -6s will cook you easily with just the stock set-up. If you don't have enough heat with the stock system, just drop down a gear for a while!
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914itis |
May 17 2015, 08:45 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
I will take a picture later . I will also go for a drive to test it out as I did not drive it..
Engine is a 2.0L Six |
914itis |
May 17 2015, 08:56 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
I drove the car for an hr and no luck .
I unhook the Jose drom the flappers and blow air from my leaf blower and I got plenty of air from the vent . The flappers could use some adjustments but they are more than half wAy open Here is the setup . Attached thumbnail(s) |
mepstein |
May 17 2015, 09:22 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,269 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Top of the engine pics?
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914itis |
May 17 2015, 09:32 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
Ill get you one in tomorrow, but nothing is plumbed rom the top to the HE's
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mepstein |
May 17 2015, 11:05 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,269 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Ill get you one in tomorrow, but nothing is plumbed rom the top to the HE's Do you have the hoses from the side of the alternator fan to the HE's? Attached image(s) |
914itis |
May 18 2015, 03:46 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
No , that a why I mentioned that the blower fan is not connected
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914itis |
May 18 2015, 03:47 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
No , that a why I mentioned that the blower fan is not connected
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mepstein |
May 18 2015, 04:37 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,269 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
No , that a why I mentioned that the blower fan is not connected You will need the fan hoses and ducts. They push air from the fan through the heat exchangers then into the cabin. Much like the type 4's. You can usually get a set of ducts with a wtb on pelican or buy repros. A used set that needs some clenup is usually $100-125. Then sell your fan block off plates for around $75. |
914itis |
May 18 2015, 06:54 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
No , that a why I mentioned that the blower fan is not connected You will need the fan hoses and ducts. They push air from the fan through the heat exchangers then into the cabin. Much like the type 4's. You can usually get a set of ducts with a wtb on pelican or buy repros. A used set that needs some clenup is usually $100-125. Then sell your fan block off plates for around $75. But as discussed here, the fan is not necessary to get some good heat. |
GeorgeRud |
May 18 2015, 07:18 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
The engine fan is absolutely necessary to push air through the heat exchangers. I think there was confusion as the later six cylinder engines (from 1975 on) used another blower fan to help move air through the exchangers. If you obtain and connect the ducts as shown, you should have plenty of heat (even though it looks like your heat exchangers have been repaired with patch panels). Please be sure to obtain and keep a carbon monoxide detector in your car as old heat exchangers could develop cracks that would allow exhaust gases to enter the cockpit, with potentially dire results.
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914itis |
May 18 2015, 07:32 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
The engine fan is absolutely necessary to push air through the heat exchangers. I think there was confusion as the later six cylinder engines (from 1975 on) used another blower fan to help move air through the exchangers. If you obtain and connect the ducts as shown, you should have plenty of heat (even though it looks like your heat exchangers have been repaired with patch panels). Please be sure to obtain and keep a carbon monoxide detector in your car as old heat exchangers could develop cracks that would allow exhaust gases to enter the cockpit, with potentially dire results. Thanks . I install the ducts. I tested the HE's for leaks before installation and yes, I will keep a carbon monoxide detector in the cabin. Thanks for your concerns . |
mepstein |
May 18 2015, 08:21 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,269 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
No , that a why I mentioned that the blower fan is not connected You will need the fan hoses and ducts. They push air from the fan through the heat exchangers then into the cabin. Much like the type 4's. You can usually get a set of ducts with a wtb on pelican or buy repros. A used set that needs some clenup is usually $100-125. Then sell your fan block off plates for around $75. But as discussed here, the fan is not necessary to get some good heat. Electric fan - no Engine fan - yes Ther are tons of threads on pelican about backdating the heat. It is easier on a 914 than a 911. |
914itis |
May 18 2015, 08:32 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
Ill get you one in tomorrow, but nothing is plumbed rom the top to the HE's Do you have the hoses from the side of the alternator fan to the HE's? Mark, Looking at this picture , does the flex pipe shown attaches to a j pipe as in the T4's or does it go all the way down to the exchangers?. Thanks |
mepstein |
May 18 2015, 08:58 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,269 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Ill get you one in tomorrow, but nothing is plumbed rom the top to the HE's Do you have the hoses from the side of the alternator fan to the HE's? Mark, Looking at this picture , does the flex pipe shown attaches to a j pipe as in the T4's or does it go all the way down to the exchangers?. Thanks Goes through a hole on the engine tin down to the he's. All one length on each side. I have some factory tin if you need pictures and size for the hole in the tin. |
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