 1974 914-4 2.0, Tackling the rust |
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| Mike Bellis |
 Jun 6 2015, 10:11 PM
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Resident Electrician  Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None 
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This is your longitudinal frame rail and structural. This should have been repaired when the PO did the hell hole.
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| brant |
Jun 6 2015, 10:49 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,614 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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You really need to look under the rockers. I think you will find a lot more unfortunately.
It's a recommended pre purchase inspection area |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 6 2015, 11:50 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,606 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Mike Bellis @ Jun 6 2015, 09:11 PM)  This is your longitudinal frame rail and structural. This should have been repaired when the PO did the hell hole. This needs to be fixed before you drive the car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) This is the backbone of your car and it looks like swiss cheese ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) |
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| Nemisus |
Jun 7 2015, 01:24 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 1-October 11 From: North Bay CA Member No.: 13,631 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Mike Bellis @ Jun 6 2015, 09:11 PM) This is your longitudinal frame rail and structural. This should have been repaired when the PO did the hell hole. This needs to be fixed before you drive the car. not the answer I wanted, but I am certainly glad I have it now and now later. Excuse my ignorance, but where would I buy the pieces to fix this damage? QUOTE(brant @ Jun 6 2015, 09:49 PM) You really need to look under the rockers. I think you will find a lot more unfortunately. It's a recommended pre purchase inspection area Another ignorant question... what do you mean buy "under the rockers"... Is there any removing of sheet metal in order to see this area? The outer shell's looks and feel very solid... QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 6 2015, 10:50 PM) QUOTE(Mike Bellis @ Jun 6 2015, 09:11 PM) This is your longitudinal frame rail and structural. This should have been repaired when the PO did the hell hole. This needs to be fixed before you drive the car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) This is the backbone of your car and it looks like swiss cheese ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) makes me wonder how hard the previous owner drove this car? ... At least now she has a home and an owner interested in making her whole again... regardless of how this project is making me stress out... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sunglasses.gif) |
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| OllieG |
Jun 7 2015, 03:03 AM
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OllieG Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 6-July 11 From: UK Member No.: 13,282 Region Association: England |
The Rockers are the trims or skirting that runs under the doors between the wheels, they're bolted in place but the bolts may well be rusted so could need cutting off. You'll find the structural Longs behind these and you must check the condition of these...judging the rest of the car you likely will have issues here. They form the structure of the car so if they are compromised, your car is very dangerous to drive.
You've made a great choice buying a 914, they're wonderful and engaging cars...very much underrated. Your particular car is going to be a challenge though imho. If you have a decent amount of spare time, plenty of funds and the motivation you will love fixing it up..but I think your car needs to be completely stripped to assess the full extent of the fix. I am/was a novice when I started my car..the PO had done some bodge repairs which made things even harder and I had a lot to address but i love every spare minute I get to spend on it.. Good luck and keep on it... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| cary |
Jun 7 2015, 07:40 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Restoration Design
http://www.restoration-design.com/store/category/914 The main problem you see was caused by battery acid coming off the battery when it got rained on.The floor pan? Looks like it had a serious back window leak for a long time. Sorry to say its going to take longer than the 1/2 hour you see on TV. But its definitely doable. |
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| PanelBilly |
Jun 7 2015, 08:49 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,799 Joined: 23-July 06 From: Kent, Wa Member No.: 6,488 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Strip out the interior and pull off the doors. Weld in some support where the door were and strip the entire car down. All the way. Take it to a sand blaster and let them have at it. See what you have when they're done. Then start replacing parts.
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| brant |
Jun 7 2015, 10:03 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,614 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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Many of us learned the hard way with our first 914 as a learning experience
Some truly talented people on this site fix it correctly with a rotisserie. Some part it out or sell to find a better starting point This is going to be a big job. Costing multiple times more than you think The math shows that you can find another car cheaper than you can fix one. It's often a multiple year project. I don't want to discourage you. Just go into it with your eyes wide open. Pull your rockers |
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| boxsterfan |
Jun 7 2015, 12:47 PM
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914's are kewl Group: Members Posts: 1,776 Joined: 6-June 03 From: San Ramon, CA Member No.: 791 Region Association: Northern California |
Search here on 914world for plans on building a rotisserie.
Not that you asked for it, but my honest opinion is that you should take as many of the good parts off of that car (and there are tons) and find a new tub. About the only logical reason for restoring this car would be 1.) it belonged in the family (ie. was your grandpa's car) or 2.) it was an original 914/6 or 3.) it had some serious racing prominence. |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 7 2015, 01:15 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,606 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(boxsterfan @ Jun 7 2015, 11:47 AM) Not that you asked for it, but my honest opinion is that you should take as many of the good parts off of that car (and there are tons) and find a new tub. About the only logical reason for restoring this car would be 1.) it belonged in the family (ie. was your grandpa's car) or 2.) it was an original 914/6 or 3.) it had some serious racing prominence. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Unless you have some sort of emotional connection to the car, it'll be cheaper and quicker to find a good tub and move the parts over. This one will require a LOT of cutting and welding to get it fixed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) |
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| Nemisus |
Jun 7 2015, 01:15 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 1-October 11 From: North Bay CA Member No.: 13,631 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(boxsterfan @ Jun 7 2015, 11:47 AM) Search here on 914world for plans on building a rotisserie. Not that you asked for it, but my honest opinion is that you should take as many of the good parts off of that car (and there are tons) and find a new tub. About the only logical reason for restoring this car would be 1.) it belonged in the family (ie. was your grandpa's car) or 2.) it was an original 914/6 or 3.) it had some serious racing prominence. You know its funny really... I was just out working on the darn thing and had this very conversation with my wife as I was glooming over a pile of rust. I'm still not willing to admit defeat and one of the biggest motivating factors with anything that I do is when someone tells me I shouldn't or can't for some reason or another. I am not saying that anyone here has come out and said that, but I do get the feeling that most wouldn't disagree if I choose that route. While it might not makes sense for many it is a challenge I have excepted. At least at the current time frame. I just need to understand this is not going to be on the road anytime soon. My 6 year son might drive this thing as his first vehicle.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) Well lets not hope it takes that long, but if it does so be it. |
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| KELTY360 |
Jun 7 2015, 01:45 PM
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914 Neferati Group: Members Posts: 5,031 Joined: 31-December 05 From: Pt. Townsend, WA Member No.: 5,344 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(PanelBilly @ Jun 7 2015, 07:49 AM) Strip out the interior and pull off the doors. Weld in some support where the door were and strip the entire car down. All the way. Take it to a sand blaster and let them have at it. See what you have when they're done. Then start replacing parts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Find out what you've really got. It may be better than what you think, then again it may be much worse. If you're committed to the project then spend the time and money to understand the scope of the job. Nothing worse than doing piecemeal repairs only to discover fatal flaws after you've put hours and $$ into it. Good luck. |
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| Nemisus |
Jun 7 2015, 02:47 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 1-October 11 From: North Bay CA Member No.: 13,631 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(KELTY360 @ Jun 7 2015, 12:45 PM) QUOTE(PanelBilly @ Jun 7 2015, 07:49 AM) Strip out the interior and pull off the doors. Weld in some support where the door were and strip the entire car down. All the way. Take it to a sand blaster and let them have at it. See what you have when they're done. Then start replacing parts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Find out what you've really got. It may be better than what you think, then again it may be much worse. If you're committed to the project then spend the time and money to understand the scope of the job. Nothing worse than doing piecemeal repairs only to discover fatal flaws after you've put hours and $$ into it. Good luck. The part the worries me the most is the rear longitudinal that was referenced as "Swiss cheese" is a few posts back. that repair looks very complicated. The floor I am confident in doing as long as a I go slow. There is no doubt this will be a learning a process. Good thing I have all of you to refer to when times get tough! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| Mike Bellis |
Jun 7 2015, 04:07 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Nemisus @ Jun 7 2015, 12:15 PM) I'm still not willing to admit defeat and one of the biggest motivating factors with anything that I do is when someone tells me I shouldn't or can't for some reason or another. This is a really expensive (possibly dumb) statement. Think of it in business terms. It's a bad investment. You will spend twice (or more) the value of the car trying to save it. If you were on the East coast or UK I might sympathize with you. But, you live in California, land of the 914. There are way better bodies, rollers and drivers out there than this one. Remember you can only see 10% of the rust. The rest will be found as you cut it trying to patch up bad metal. |
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| mepstein |
Jun 7 2015, 04:43 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,239 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Check out my build thread
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/inde My car looked good but was very rusty inside. I am paying to have it professionally restored. It's a good amount of $$$ but it will be done right. I could never do it myself. It would have been way less expensive if I started with a better tub but it didn't. Take your time and figure out what you want. Personally I hate to see projects that someone starts, gets overwhelmed and never get done but that's life. Attached image(s) 
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| Nemisus |
Jun 7 2015, 05:24 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 1-October 11 From: North Bay CA Member No.: 13,631 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Mike Bellis @ Jun 7 2015, 03:07 PM) QUOTE(Nemisus @ Jun 7 2015, 12:15 PM) I'm still not willing to admit defeat and one of the biggest motivating factors with anything that I do is when someone tells me I shouldn't or can't for some reason or another. This is a really expensive (possibly dumb) statement. Think of it in business terms. It's a bad investment. You will spend twice (or more) the value of the car trying to save it. Remember you can only see 10% of the rust. The rest will be found as you cut it trying to patch up bad metal. I will take your less than constructive comments as the best criticism you can muster. I now completely understand why "YOU" wouldn't restore this car. Thanks for sharing your insight. a statement is only as dumb as the interpretation. I mean no offense! I may be foolish to try and save this car.. and it will most likely not make any kind of financial sense... but to suggest that I am "dumb" to except the challenge completely takes away why any of us even bother with these cars. After all, how many are truly rust free? Rust repair is a challenge we all except when we first decide that the 914 is the car of choice. And that is all it is... just a choice! As long as that choice makes sense to the person choosing.. it really doesn't matter what others think! QUOTE(mepstein @ Jun 7 2015, 03:43 PM) Check out my build thread http://www.914world.com/bbs2/inde My car looked good but was very rusty inside. I am paying to have it professionally restored. It's a good amount of $$$ but it will be done right. I could never do it myself. It would have been way less expensive if I started with a better tub but it didn't. Take your time and figure out what you want. Personally I hate to see projects that someone starts, gets overwhelmed and never get done but that's life. Mepstein, All you need is money! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) I envy you for having the resources to be able to have your car built professionally. I for one would be interested in seeing the finished results. FYI The link you posted does not work! |
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| mepstein |
Jun 7 2015, 06:04 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,239 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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| Vysoc |
Jun 7 2015, 06:24 PM
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Vysoc Group: Members Posts: 586 Joined: 27-August 09 From: Young Harris, Georgia Member No.: 10,737 Region Association: South East States |
I hope and pray you possess Jeff Hail skills.
A good thread for you to go through would be Jeff Hail"s "Bringing out the Dead". Good Luck with whatever decision you decide to make. Neil Young was right..."Rust Never Sleeps!". All the best. Vysoc (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) |
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| Nemisus |
Jun 7 2015, 06:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: 1-October 11 From: North Bay CA Member No.: 13,631 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(mepstein @ Jun 7 2015, 05:04 PM) Thank you for your link. I understand from reading it that someone else is helping you along the way. Regardless of who is doing the work this has given me some inspiration. I would say that in the area of concern your car and mine have equally concerning damage. Mine might even be worse. Only getting in there will allow me to see the truth. This project will be like a hobby.. limited time to really get into it. I am a full time student and work 55-60 hours a week. My weekends are reserved for school work. This will inevitably cause a delay in progress. I am okay with this a hobby like this shouldn't be rushed. Again I thank you for sharing your progress QUOTE(Vysoc @ Jun 7 2015, 05:24 PM) I hope and pray you possess Jeff Hail skills. A good thread for you to go through would be Jeff Hail"s "Bringing out the Dead". Good Luck with whatever decision you decide to make. Neil Young was right..."Rust Never Sleeps!". All the best. Vysoc (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) I may not have Jeff's skills, but my best friend works in fabricating and loves this kind of stuff. Together we have built some incredible things. I plan to share the progress as I go. Although there be several days and weeks between updates. Thanks for the luck! Cheers Nemi |
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