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California DMV Title and Registration after 26 years - Need Advice |
LukeD |
Jun 12 2015, 11:34 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 254 Joined: 14-November 04 From: Atascadero, CA Member No.: 3,117 Region Association: None |
I have an appointment to transfer the car (http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=257483) and get a title. Plates and registration in the glove box show last registered in 1989 and I have a signed bill of sale from the last registered owner (not the person I bought it from)
From some research according to California DMV vehicle code 4604(d)(3) and 5051 exepmts the car from penalties. Does anyone have experience in this area in California that can chime in? My appointment is Monday and I'm a little nervous (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) |
Mueller |
Jun 12 2015, 11:35 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
Good chance it is off the books so no additional fees, I too am facing something similar but it has not been that many years.
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SirAndy |
Jun 12 2015, 11:37 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,857 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
I'm watching this closely. My /6 was last registered in the late '80s ...
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Mueller |
Jun 12 2015, 11:42 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,150 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
I'm watching this closely. My /6 was last registered in the late '80s ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Petrol cars will be outlawed and we'll be in magnetically energized flying contraptions by the time that gets on the road...hahaha |
SirAndy |
Jun 12 2015, 11:58 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,857 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
I'm watching this closely. My /6 was last registered in the late '80s ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Petrol cars will be outlawed and we'll be in magnetically energized flying contraptions by the time that gets on the road...hahaha Said the guy who never had a running 914 because he always has to take them apart ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
Tom_T |
Jun 12 2015, 12:06 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,320 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
I'm in the same boat, because DMV never sent a non-op/renewal to me in 92 & then wanted $1000+ & a re-smog (but the car wasn't running by then to do a smog).
BTW my renewal date was/is Dec 26 - so with 2 little kids then, it's no surprise that I didn't notice no renewal came in the mail, butg DMV a-holes push all responsibility to owners for their mistakes & then wanted that BS fee & full registration on 12/27!!!! Mine is no longer in the system, so I don't know how they'll handle mine now if I claim the hobby/restoration exemption route. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&.../vc/d3/c1/a8.3/ . From this it sounds like they still have penalties - but not as egregious. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pu...d3/c1/a5/4604.5 . IMHO - your best bet is to fist just put in for new owner registrations, & if that doesn't work then play the dumb & innocent purchaser & ask for help in how to waive penalties/interest & maybe the DMV employee will help. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) If you get stuck, PM or email me & I can give you the email to an OCR PCA member who is a lawyer & former OC Asst. DA & former DMV Attny., who may be able to get you a DMV Attny. in Fresno. Good Luck & Please post outcome here! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
toolguy |
Jun 12 2015, 12:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,273 Joined: 2-April 11 From: San Diego / El Cajon Member No.: 12,889 Region Association: Southern California |
In cases like this i always go to my lady at a local registration service. . 2 reasons. . she can get around the red tape and make things happen when DMV employees seem to do just the opposite. . and she figures the cheapest way to do it. . DMV does the opposite. . still all legal but with none of the BS. .
I've done numerous motorcycles with no titles, and a few with very old bills of sale. . Plus she completes the paperwork the same day and i get the plates and final paperwork the next. . the last time she was now authorized to verify vins, so no special trip to DMV or CHP for that. . |
eric9144 |
Jun 12 2015, 02:42 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,742 Joined: 30-March 11 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 12,876 Region Association: Southern California |
In cases like this i always go to my lady at a local registration service. . 2 reasons. . she can get around the red tape and make things happen when DMV employees seem to do just the opposite. . and she figures the cheapest way to do it. . DMV does the opposite. . still all legal but with none of the BS. . I've done numerous motorcycles with no titles, and a few with very old bills of sale. . Plus she completes the paperwork the same day and i get the plates and final paperwork the next. . the last time she was now authorized to verify vins, so no special trip to DMV or CHP for that. . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) This is sound advice...and also how I got my mini-bikes titled and plated here in CA several years back when the DMV and CHP flat out said "no" sight unseen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
Amphicar770 |
Jun 12 2015, 03:28 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,208 Joined: 20-April 10 From: PA, USA Member No.: 11,639 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Could you just register it out of state, even to a family member or friend. Then transfer it back to CA later.
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RoadGlue |
Jun 12 2015, 03:49 PM
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Sonoma County Gear Head Group: Admin Posts: 2,033 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Santa Rosa, CA Member No.: 108 Region Association: Northern California |
Sorry to hijack, but when the hell did Mueller come back?? Mike!
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andys |
Jun 12 2015, 04:24 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None |
Two words: Auto Club. Mine was off the books for fourteen years. They took care of everything, even the VIN verification. Done deal.
Andys |
ConeDodger |
Jun 12 2015, 06:01 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,806 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California |
I'm watching this closely. My /6 was last registered in the late '80s ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Petrol cars will be outlawed and we'll be in magnetically energized flying contraptions by the time that gets on the road...hahaha Said the guy who never had a running 914 because he always has to take them apart ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) what's up with that Mike? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
EdwardBlume |
Jun 13 2015, 01:27 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California |
I didn't non-op mine for about 7 years and got the serious smack down on fees. Be careful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilgrin.gif)
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LeftCoastErik |
Jun 13 2015, 09:24 AM
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BADPNNY Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 23-March 15 From: United States Member No.: 18,555 Region Association: Northern California |
I use donna leek at professional registration service in grass valley for all my old car registration work. I mail her whatever I have..which is sometimes nothing..and titles and tags appear a couple of weeks later. She's the best
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Cairo94507 |
Jun 13 2015, 09:57 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 10,066 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
Great lead.
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Joe Bob |
Jun 14 2015, 09:38 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
AAA or a registration service as noted above, screw DMV. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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mepstein |
Jun 14 2015, 09:49 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,585 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I use a title service for my cars. Worth the extra $25 - 10x over. No hassles, the title just shows up as expected and nobody ever questions my $200 purchase price.
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Heeltoe914 |
Jun 14 2015, 10:01 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,135 Joined: 31-January 06 From: Tujunga Calif, Member No.: 5,506 |
In cases like this i always go to my lady at a local registration service. . 2 reasons. . she can get around the red tape and make things happen when DMV employees seem to do just the opposite. . and she figures the cheapest way to do it. . DMV does the opposite. . still all legal but with none of the BS. . I've done numerous motorcycles with no titles, and a few with very old bills of sale. . Plus she completes the paperwork the same day and i get the plates and final paperwork the next. . the last time she was now authorized to verify vins, so no special trip to DMV or CHP for that. . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) This is sound advice...and also how I got my mini-bikes titled and plated here in CA several years back when the DMV and CHP flat out said "no" sight unseen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Yep I 100% agree pay the 350 dollars service they get it done fast accurately with or without a pink slip ask me how I know? We just did a 1972 BMW 2002 that was off the books since 1986. after VIN verification last known registered owner on a piece of paper $350 later the car was registered |
larryM |
Jun 14 2015, 11:12 AM
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emoze Group: Members Posts: 891 Joined: 1-January 03 From: mid- California Member No.: 65 Region Association: Northern California |
here we go again - this comes up at least once a year - there are many threads with the same answers you will get here
throw away the old documents or at least pretend they never existed you do an Application for Original Registration - requires VIN certification I also use Donna Leak - best - you never have to go stand in line at DMV, nor withstand the withering questions of a vin-cert cop who wants to prove it was stolen - worth every penny she charges i'm sure there are similar people (title services) in almost every CA city that has a lot of old-car guys AAA will not touch this process DO NOT even think about going to CHP for the VIN Cert - that will cause you a ton of grief . |
PancakePorsche |
Jun 18 2015, 01:31 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 236 Joined: 29-July 11 From: Southern California Member No.: 13,373 Region Association: None |
Agree !
It was given to me by Grandpa just before he died and it didn't run. Grandma couldn't find the paperwork. I had it towed to my house. |
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