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| jimkelly |
 Jun 23 2015, 10:06 PM
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Delaware USA  Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region  |
seems that intake gaskets already have the phenolic section included??
pic from ebay. Attached image(s) 
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| Dave_Darling |
Jun 24 2015, 09:01 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,980 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California 
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Yes, they do. I think there are also ones available without, though.
--DD |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 24 2015, 12:24 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,602 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jun 24 2015, 08:01 AM)  Yes, they do. I think there are also ones available without, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) You can also get the paper gaskets separately, but i highly recommend using the thicker phenolic spacers, even for carb conversions ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| BeatNavy |
Jun 24 2015, 01:28 PM
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Certified Professional Scapegoat Group: Members Posts: 2,924 Joined: 26-February 14 From: Easton, MD Member No.: 17,042 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Ok, I'm going to ask a stupid question: I replaced my intake runner gaskets a while back with the Reinz product (I don't think the one pictured above). Was I supposed to use something else as well? I'm not familiar with phenolic gaskets. I have stock D-Jet...
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| dcecc1968 |
Jun 24 2015, 02:52 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 251 Joined: 31-December 12 From: Concord, NC Member No.: 15,313 Region Association: South East States |
Thanks for posting this... I have a set of phenolic spacers to install on mine and was thinking that I needed to order gaskets for both sides, now I know better
-Don |
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| Boxeer |
Jun 24 2015, 07:10 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 8-February 12 From: Nashville TN Member No.: 14,104 Region Association: Middle East |
Phenolic is harder than the gasket material. I recommend that you use 2 gasket on each side ;-)
Greg |
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| jimkelly |
Jun 24 2015, 07:19 PM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
i think the above reinz ASSY pictured, is a phenolic spacer with a gasket on both sides.
so an order for 2ea assy should be all that is needed. |
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| DBCooper |
Jun 24 2015, 07:21 PM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
Just to clarify, with dual carbs, IDF's or DRLA's, use the phenolics because they'll keep the fuel in those carbs from heating up and even boiling. But with a center mounted carburetor you really DON'T want to use phenolic spacers. Reason is that with that long run from the carburetor to the head the runners tend to ice up in hot weather and fuel mixture will form droplets. Means it's a good thing to get some heat up into the runners, and no worry because the fuel in a center carb is too far away from the heads to ever get hot enough to boil the fuel in the bowl.
I know that may be a bit counter-intuitive, cool dual carbs, heat a single carb, but that's how it works. |
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| jimkelly |
Jun 24 2015, 07:23 PM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
thanks DB : )
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| Elliot Cannon |
Jun 24 2015, 07:38 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None 
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I have had dual 44idf's on my car for eleven years without the phenolic spacers and have never had an issue. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| DBCooper |
Jun 24 2015, 07:48 PM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Jun 24 2015, 06:38 PM) I have had dual 44idf's on my car for eleven years without the phenolic spacers and have never had an issue. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Means you have a well-built engine so it ran cool. But get the timing off, mixture a bit lean, restrictive exhaust, cam not well matched to the heads/exhaust, etc, etc in the summer and you'll run it hot and cook your fuel. So good job on that engine. (eleven years... engines?). No big deal, most of us have a set or two in a box somewhere, so use them. Cheap insurance. |
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| Dave_Darling |
Jun 24 2015, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(DBCooper @ Jun 24 2015, 06:21 PM) ... cool dual carbs, heat a single carb, but that's how it works. Close, but not quite there. It's actually: Cool dual carbs, throw away single carbs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) --DD |
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| DBCooper |
Jun 30 2015, 07:47 PM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jun 24 2015, 08:58 PM) QUOTE(DBCooper @ Jun 24 2015, 06:21 PM) ... cool dual carbs, heat a single carb, but that's how it works. Close, but not quite there. It's actually: Cool dual carbs, throw away single carbs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) --DD You know Dave, I've repeated your "float test" for single carbs a number of times. Best explanation I've heard, so thanks. In this case it's temporary, so it's OK, but when he's done he can do the float test himself. |
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| toadman |
Jul 1 2015, 07:11 AM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 24 2015, 10:24 AM) QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jun 24 2015, 08:01 AM) Yes, they do. I think there are also ones available without, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) You can also get the paper gaskets separately, but i highly recommend using the thicker phenolic spacers, even for carb conversions ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Who sells the paper gaskets separately? |
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| stugray |
Jul 1 2015, 07:20 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,824 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(toadman @ Jul 1 2015, 07:11 AM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 24 2015, 10:24 AM) QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jun 24 2015, 08:01 AM) Yes, they do. I think there are also ones available without, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) You can also get the paper gaskets separately, but i highly recommend using the thicker phenolic spacers, even for carb conversions ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Who sells the paper gaskets separately? I only used the paper gaskets when the spacers were new. Now I just put a thin coat of RTV Blue on each side of the spacers. |
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| Elliot Cannon |
Jul 1 2015, 04:07 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(toadman @ Jul 1 2015, 06:11 AM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 24 2015, 10:24 AM) QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jun 24 2015, 08:01 AM) Yes, they do. I think there are also ones available without, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) You can also get the paper gaskets separately, but i highly recommend using the thicker phenolic spacers, even for carb conversions ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Who sells the paper gaskets separately? You might try here. http://www.cbperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=21 |
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| toadman |
Jul 1 2015, 04:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 168 Joined: 26-December 05 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 5,316 |
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Jul 1 2015, 02:07 PM) QUOTE(toadman @ Jul 1 2015, 06:11 AM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 24 2015, 10:24 AM) QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jun 24 2015, 08:01 AM) Yes, they do. I think there are also ones available without, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) You can also get the paper gaskets separately, but i highly recommend using the thicker phenolic spacers, even for carb conversions ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Who sells the paper gaskets separately? You might try here. http://www.cbperformance.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=21 They have them. Thanks for the tip! |
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