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> Which Sterter Solenoid?, Looking to remedy the infamous hot-start issue
JDW914
post Jul 2 2015, 09:37 PM
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Hi all! I recently took my first long road trip in my 914 (700 mi round trip out to Peoria, IL to finally pick up a replacement windshield) and while the car performed beautifully, I had my first encounter with what I've learned is the "infamous hot-start issue." Happily I was caravanning and, when unable to find a clear reason as to the car's failing to start after a pit stop for lunch, we tried jumping it, assuming the battery had gone bad, which resulted in enough current to pop the solenoid and start it up. This was necessary a few times during the trip. While it has never caused me trouble before (I've been driving the car pretty regularly for 2 years since its restoration has been "finished") I'd prefer to remove the issue so that it doesn't come back to bite me, especially now that the car has proven itself as such a good road-tripper.

Now in my research since encountering the issue, I've found much documentation of the issue and its solutions, in particular a Ford starter solenoid or a Bosch hot start relay kit. I'd like to go about it with the replacement starter solenoid as this seems a simple and straight-forward enough change-out, however, I've not been able to determine what solenoid it is in particular that will fit into an old VW starter motor. Is there a particular part number or set of models/years that use it, or does Ford have enough standardisation that any old solenoid will work?

Thanks for any enlightenment you can provide!
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post Jul 3 2015, 07:13 PM
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To be clear, my car's problem is that at high running temperature (several hours of ~3000rpm in hot weather) the solenoid on the starter motor does not deploy when the key is pressed to the start position; I get a quiet, rapid ticking from the starter and nothing else. This is a brand new Bosch starter and a direct replacement for the original.

I *had* been under the impression that the Ford solenoid fix was a replacement of the solenoid on the starter, but apparently that is not the case? What does the relay circuit do that improves current flow to the starter
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post Jul 3 2015, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE(JDW914 @ Jul 3 2015, 09:13 PM) *

To be clear, my car's problem is that at high running temperature (several hours of ~3000rpm in hot weather) the solenoid on the starter motor does not deploy when the key is pressed to the start position; I get a quiet, rapid ticking from the starter and nothing else. This is a brand new Bosch starter and a direct replacement for the original.

I *had* been under the impression that the Ford solenoid fix was a replacement of the solenoid on the starter, but apparently that is not the case? What does the relay circuit do that improves current flow to the starter

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JDW914   Which Sterter Solenoid?   Jul 2 2015, 09:37 PM
stugray   Are you talking about replacing the solenoid on th...   Jul 2 2015, 11:09 PM
markb   This is what I had on my 72 for years & never ...   Jul 2 2015, 11:10 PM
john77   I had the same problem 12 months ago. I bought a h...   Jul 3 2015, 01:42 AM
worn   I had the same problem 12 months ago. I bought a ...   Jul 3 2015, 09:33 AM
Mark Henry   The Ford solenoid is the on the fender type they u...   Jul 3 2015, 07:59 AM
type47   There are lots of relays out there that can be use...   Jul 3 2015, 09:50 AM
Mark Henry   There are lots of relays out there that can be us...   Jul 3 2015, 10:11 AM
Tom_T   You may have one or more of a few things going on ...   Jul 3 2015, 10:28 AM
Mark Henry   You may have one or more of a few things going on...   Jul 3 2015, 12:03 PM
Tom_T   #1 To me vapour lock and hot start are two diffe...   Jul 3 2015, 03:21 PM
SLITS   I use the "Ford Starter Solenoid Relay" ...   Jul 3 2015, 10:38 AM
jeffdon   I run a ford solenoid mounted on the starter. In...   Jul 3 2015, 01:16 PM
JDW914   To be clear, my car's problem is that at high ...   Jul 3 2015, 07:13 PM
Kansas 914   I *had* been under the impression that the Ford ...   Jul 3 2015, 08:08 PM
Mark Henry   To be clear, my car's problem is that at high...   Jul 3 2015, 10:33 PM
ThePaintedMan   I've often heard them used synonymously, so co...   Jul 4 2015, 07:28 AM
Kansas 914   I've often heard them used synonymously, so c...   Jul 4 2015, 07:32 AM
JDW914   [quote name='ThePaintedMan' post='2205963' date='...   Jul 4 2015, 09:11 AM
Mark Henry   I've often heard them used synonymously, so c...   Jul 4 2015, 09:51 AM
stugray   I've often heard them used synonymously, so c...   Jul 4 2015, 10:34 AM
Kansas 914   So once you install the Ford relay the system wo...   Jul 4 2015, 11:00 AM
Jeffs9146   I've often heard them used synonymously, so ...   Feb 17 2016, 10:53 AM
HalfMoon   Local parts stores emplyee's often won"t ...   Jul 4 2015, 09:53 AM
Mark Henry   Local parts stores emplyee's often won"t...   Jul 4 2015, 10:07 AM
ThePaintedMan   LOL, thanks for clarifying that Mark and Stu! ...   Jul 4 2015, 05:46 PM
NFBrown   I've been wondering why once in a while I get ...   Jul 4 2015, 06:58 PM
rick 918-S   I chased that rabbit down the hole. Here's wha...   Jul 4 2015, 07:25 PM
screenguy914   To summarize the various posts on the subject, the...   Jul 5 2015, 01:15 PM
Tom   The ford solenoid, ( in this case used as a relay ...   Jul 6 2015, 03:07 AM
screenguy914   The ford solenoid, ( in this case used as a relay...   Jul 7 2015, 03:26 AM
Geezer914   I just did this. I used an SS571 Standard Motor p...   Jul 7 2015, 05:56 PM
sean_v8_914   :deadhorse:   Feb 17 2016, 11:06 AM
Mark Henry   :deadhorse: No....it's beating a dead start...   Feb 17 2016, 12:01 PM


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