Finishing A 914-6 GT Conversion Project, Great Start, But The Devil Is In The Details! Options

[Lucky9146]

It seems as if you could bend it to go under the rain hat pretty easily???

It sure does.......but Um No.

Unbending 90's? Tried. But thanks.

[Keith914]

Just catching up on your progress. You may have put the shift rod brass bushing that is in the front of the tranny bracket backwards. This can prevent the rods moving to the rear for 2nd and fourth so that you can't quite complete these shifts.

[Keith914]

Just looked at your post 247 again - your shift rod is different from mine (Tangerine), so you may not have a problem as I did.

[Lucky9146]

Just catching up on your progress. You may have put the shift rod brass bushing that is in the front of the tranny bracket backwards. This can prevent the rods moving to the rear for 2nd and fourth so that you can't quite complete these shifts.

Made me look
Post #237 shows placement of my brass bushing. The arm on the trans would not move in the direction of the bushing if installed reversed from what is shown. Seems to go OK through all the gears as installed just re-checked!
Thanks for weighing in.

[Lucky9146]

Just looked at your post 247 again - your shift rod is different from mine (Tangerine), so you may not have a problem as I did.

Post #247 is Porschetub 's set up showing what he did with double bushings. Wish I had that! Mine is post #237

[Lucky9146]

Received my rear axle gaskets and found some Schnorr washers (which was a new word for me and makes me chuckle). Good news is the rear axles are together after a lot of cleaning, it was a greasy mess to do, as I am sure many here know. I was not planning to show any pictures because everyone has seen rear axles.

However I did address what the axles looked like. They were powder coated black many years ago and had been hung on coat hangers over time which ended up removing the powder coating in several areas. Was not looking forward to trying to remove the remaining powder coating thinking it would be a real challenge. To my surprise, moisture had apparently worked under all the powder coating and they were rusty underneath, making coating removal fairly simple. Maybe they were not prepped well first? Cleaned up the rust and coated with silver Por 15 always intending to paint them black again, but I think I like the silver!
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[raynekat]

Yes, the previous powder coating on your axles must have been a very poor quality as usually it's very difficult to remove powder coating. It just doesn't slough off easily likes yours seemed to do.

[Lucky9146]

Small steps!
Got the left MSDS header installed today. I need some parts that are on order before I can install the right header. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Unfortunately that right header will be in the way for what I have to do.

So this gave me a an opportunity to explore the much anticipated PO’s idea for a center pull hand brake. As an aside I have a good buddy with a 6 conversion who is jealous as hell about the center pull hand brake AND the quad gage (hope he sees this).

PO had the cables made and all the new attaching hardware! Nice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

The concern of course was the hand brake cable routing past the header with the cable now coming out of the center of the rear bulk head
The cable is just to the right of the shifter rod and ends up upper left below the red spring.


Cable routing went pretty well with the exception of being a tad close to the header in only one location. Routes up over shifter rod and header and over to brake.
I’ll figure something out to shield it


It actually looks closer than it is in the 3rd picture.


Length seems good too. Got ‘er all hooked up and it should work as imagined! Can’t do the full handle pull test without both cables installed. Dang

Livin’ The Dream! Thanks moparrob It Worked. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)
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[Larmo63]

I have two 911 E-brake cables for a center pull brake set up, but I don't think I will explore the idea.

Not that it's a bad idea, but the 914 set up works fine.

[Lucky9146]

I have two 911 E-brake cables for a center pull brake set up, but I don't think I will explore the idea.

Not that it's a bad idea, but the 914 set up works fine.

I believe the concept was for making an e-brake turn in rally driving. Then you are able to use your right hand for e- brake and shift with left hand on the steering wheel.

According to my rally driving friend. Very awkward to make an e-brake turn with left hand e-brake. This is why he is jealous. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Never done this myself and really have no plans for it, but the option is now there and it seems much more instinctive to utilize a center pull hand brake. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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[moparrob]

Actually, the reason for this mounting was because this wide seats I had chosen, from a 964 Porsche, would not allow access to the handbrake on the left side. Also, uphill starts using the handbrake are much more intuitive with a center handbrake.

[914forme]

The reference was based off the original Rallye Prepped 914-6GTs that had center tunnel mount for just this reason. Easier to find the dang thing when it is out in the open. Also the original early hand brake folded, so it would be even more of a pain to use.

Now modern Rallye cars us cutter brakes that actuate the brakes on that side our rear. In reality it could now be done via electronics, via the stability control system. In this case you would have to change the acronym and make it IICS (Intentional Instability Control System) As your making the car unstable to induce the intend rotation.

Carry on neat layout. I would add some heat sleeves on the cables and SS safety wire to keep them from burning. Might (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) increase the life span (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) You never know until you get it running and start using the cables.

Jeff Hail has the best setup I have seen for this. He used to 914 Pass side cables, that allowed for plenty of cable to route along the firewall, and out to the caliper down the trailing arm for a factory look and routed installation.

If you have not read his thread it is a classic. Great Read and full of very useful information.

[mepstein]

The reference was based off the original Rallye Prepped 914-6GTs that had center tunnel mount for just this reason. Easier to find the dang thing when it is out in the open. Also the original early hand brake folded, so it would be even more of a pain to use.

Now modern Rallye cars us cutter brakes that actuate the brakes on that side our rear. In reality it could now be done via electronics, via the stability control system. In this case you would have to change the acronym and make it IICS (Intentional Instability Control System) As your making the car unstable to induce the intend rotation.

Carry on neat layout. I would add some heat sleeves on the cables and SS safety wire to keep them from burning. Might (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) increase the life span (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) You never know until you get it running and start using the cables.

Jeff Hail has the best setup I have seen for this. He used to 914 Pass side cables, that allowed for plenty of cable to route along the firewall, and out to the caliper down the trailing arm for a factory look and routed installation.

If you have not read his thread it is a classic. Great Read and full of very useful information.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I am copying his setup.

[914forme]

Jeff Hail has the best setup I have seen for this. He used to 914 Pass side cables, that allowed for plenty of cable to route along the firewall, and out to the caliper down the trailing arm for a factory look and routed installation.

If you have not read his thread it is a classic. Great Read and full of very useful information.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I am copying his setup.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Already liberated Jeff's idea on the EG build even used the same seals the firewall. In my normal way of making things to complicated I started mocking up the tubes to go through the firewall like the factory would have done it. Saw Jeff's setup and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) keep it simple. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

[Lucky9146]

The reference was based off the original Rallye Prepped 914-6GTs that had center tunnel mount for just this reason. Easier to find the dang thing when it is out in the open. Also the original early hand brake folded, so it would be even more of a pain to use.

Now modern Rallye cars us cutter brakes that actuate the brakes on that side our rear. In reality it could now be done via electronics, via the stability control system. In this case you would have to change the acronym and make it IICS (Intentional Instability Control System) As your making the car unstable to induce the intend rotation.

Carry on neat layout. I would add some heat sleeves on the cables and SS safety wire to keep them from burning. Might (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) increase the life span (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) You never know until you get it running and start using the cables.

Jeff Hail has the best setup I have seen for this. He used to 914 Pass side cables, that allowed for plenty of cable to route along the firewall, and out to the caliper down the trailing arm for a factory look and routed installation.

If you have not read his thread it is a classic. Great Read and full of very useful information.

Thanks for all the info including the Jeff Hail link! Like you said great read. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif)
Yes I will be adding the heat sleeves soon.
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[Lucky9146]

Nits and Nats
Just returned from a trip but before leaving I spent some time getting a bunch of small parts ordered from several suppliers. Little crap that was holding me up on several fronts.
As my thread title says “Finishing A 914-6 GT Conversion Project” I am now (hopefully) down to just the small stuff for finishing it up as you can see.

Waiting for me to open were 4 packages! So it was like a 914 Christmas. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/santa_smiley.gif)

PMS clutch pulley buy was encouraged by Larma63, so why not. I had looked at it a couple years back trying to justify it and had input saying the stock one would work but I am right there now, so new pulley it is!

Timing decal, which I always wanted but could not figure out where to get it from, was a lead from Defianty all the way over in the UK. He first suggested a Polish company and that wasn’t working out so well for me and then he suggested of all places Sierra Madre right up the road. How cool is that! Have to add I have not gone to Sierra Madre in the past but will scrutinize their site in the future.

Then there is often offered GB from 914 Rubber which of course leads to additional “stuff”. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

My usual “go to” site is EBS Racing where I have spent the majority of my dollars and a great company to deal with.

It’s the help and suggestions from others that make this site so great. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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[defianty]

Always nice getting 914 bits in the mail!

Glad you found the fan sticker. It's a nice finishing piece. It almost felt like a stamp of approval when I fitted mine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Mark Henry]

Small steps!
Got the left MSDS header installed today. I need some parts that are on order before I can install the right header. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Unfortunately that right header will be in the way for what I have to do.

So this gave me a an opportunity to explore the much anticipated PO’s idea for a center pull hand brake. As an aside I have a good buddy with a 6 conversion who is jealous as hell about the center pull hand brake AND the quad gage (hope he sees this).

PO had the cables made and all the new attaching hardware! Nice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

The concern of course was the hand brake cable routing past the header with the cable now coming out of the center of the rear bulk head
The cable is just to the right of the shifter rod and ends up upper left below the red spring.


Cable routing went pretty well with the exception of being a tad close to the header in only one location. Routes up over shifter rod and header and over to brake.
I’ll figure something out to shield it


It actually looks closer than it is in the 3rd picture.


Length seems good too. Got ‘er all hooked up and it should work as imagined! Can’t do the full handle pull test without both cables installed. Dang

Livin’ The Dream! Thanks moparrob It Worked. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)
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That ebrake cable is nowhere near as close to the header once the car is on the ground and there's a load on the suspension.

[Lucky9146]

Small steps!
Got the left MSDS header installed today. I need some parts that are on order before I can install the right header. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Unfortunately that right header will be in the way for what I have to do.

So this gave me a an opportunity to explore the much anticipated PO’s idea for a center pull hand brake. As an aside I have a good buddy with a 6 conversion who is jealous as hell about the center pull hand brake AND the quad gage (hope he sees this).

PO had the cables made and all the new attaching hardware! Nice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

The concern of course was the hand brake cable routing past the header with the cable now coming out of the center of the rear bulk head
The cable is just to the right of the shifter rod and ends up upper left below the red spring.


Cable routing went pretty well with the exception of being a tad close to the header in only one location. Routes up over shifter rod and header and over to brake.
I’ll figure something out to shield it


It actually looks closer than it is in the 3rd picture.


Length seems good too. Got ‘er all hooked up and it should work as imagined! Can’t do the full handle pull test without both cables installed. Dang

Livin’ The Dream! Thanks moparrob It Worked. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)
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That ebrake cable is nowhere near as close to the header once the car is on the ground and there's a load on the suspension.

Thanks Mark! Good catch and now I have some inappropriately placed ty-wraps that will be removed today. I have to admit I totally did not catch that! Duh (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) Not sure what I was thinking.
Seriously, thank you for weighing in. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Lucky9146]

Frustration the last couple days. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
We all experience frustration at one time or another going through this process of 6 conversion. With my last purchases of bits and pieces I can’t believe I already have another list going. Does it ever stop? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Some of the small parts I recently got worked ok. PMS clutch pulley is on, so the clutch is complete, and somewhat adjusted. Trans ground strap was good too and now with new fill drain plugs installed the trans is full of Swepco 201. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

One thing bugging me is the accelerator cable. Can’t figure out where the hell I got the darn thing and I am not sure it is the right one, it just doesn't look right to me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Going to continue to install but may need another one of those.

Timing decal I bought from Sierra Madre turned out to be the wrong one. It was SC all right, but ROW SC, so now have found where I can get the correct one, or closer to it, and have to order that one now. Sierra Madre did not have the correct one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

My hats off to those of you who have successfully installed the washer and nut on the right side carb under the accelerator pump. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) I know it can be done but really? I'll get it.

Definitely needed some positive progress today after fighting the right header on last night. I was pretty stoked about the idea of installing my ceramic coated new Dansk muffler so I want to share that. The install went ok, I wouldn’t go so far as problem free, but it is on there! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I know silver ceramic is not "correct" but I love the look and kind of goes wit the headers. Will be eventually hidden by MSDS flare rear valance anyway.
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