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| Lucky9146 |
 May 6 2018, 12:39 PM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart  Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California 
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QUOTE(Dougster @ May 6 2018, 11:26 AM)  Hey Lucky, you should do yourself a favor and have your upholsterer order up some "Pirelli Webbing" before you go any further. It's a little more expensive but is worth it. It's the stuff they used to used on vintage car seats. My Volvo 1800E needed webbing replaced and instead of buying the original Pirelli material, I bought the cheaper Dunlop (looks like what you are using)... it hasn't help up well at all. I'm going to have to re-do it. The Pirelli is more of an off-white/cream colored rubber looking material, rather than the stretchy Dunlop. I can sort of relate to what you are doing... I bought E30 BMW sport seats off craigslist (because of their high side bolsters) and combined them with the relatively flat original recaros that were in my 1800E. So I had to weld frame pieces together and manipulate foam, add webbing, custom upholster. But now I have original looking seats (with original side brackets/hinges) but with nice firm side bolsters. It was a 'B' to do but worth the effort. Just trying to save you some frustration up the road with the webbing. Great job on everything, btw !! Thanks for the tip I will talk to him first thing tomorrow morning. He may be too far along though I'm afraid, there has been more progress. Thanks again for weighing in! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/white914.jpg) |
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| Lucky9146 |
May 7 2018, 11:10 PM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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Well this is what the seats looked like last Friday. I didn’t post these pictures because they were on my cell phone and I got lazy. My camera had died and it’s a different process to get the pics off the phone and work with them. Any way he did some magic shaping of the foam and he added additional foam to the outsides which are now very nice and smooth and firm.
  And the backs of the frames had a layer of foam to cover the webbing hooks, along with the foam along the top with the plastic bases of the head rest grommets which determine the height of that foam. He seems to be a master of foam densities and uses. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/white914.jpg)  |
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| Lucky9146 |
May 7 2018, 11:23 PM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(Dougster @ May 6 2018, 11:26 AM) Hey Lucky, you should do yourself a favor and have your upholsterer order up some "Pirelli Webbing" before you go any further. It's a little more expensive but is worth it. It's the stuff they used to used on vintage car seats. My Volvo 1800E needed webbing replaced and instead of buying the original Pirelli material, I bought the cheaper Dunlop (looks like what you are using)... it hasn't help up well at all. I'm going to have to re-do it. The Pirelli is more of an off-white/cream colored rubber looking material, rather than the stretchy Dunlop. I can sort of relate to what you are doing... I bought E30 BMW sport seats off craigslist (because of their high side bolsters) and combined them with the relatively flat original recaros that were in my 1800E. So I had to weld frame pieces together and manipulate foam, add webbing, custom upholster. But now I have original looking seats (with original side brackets/hinges) but with nice firm side bolsters. It was a 'B' to do but worth the effort. Just trying to save you some frustration up the road with the webbing. Great job on everything, btw !! Dougster Arriving at the shop at 9:30 this morning, the ship had sailed on the webbing, and it turns out he had the Pirelli webbing there for me to see and compare. I had to agree with Oscar the upholsterer that the webbing installed was more correct, with all due respect to your recommendation. He has done upholstery his entire life and I am going defer to his guidance. Again, I always appreciate help and comment and thank you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) This is what the seats looked like this morning. Backs fully covered in foam. So cool looking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)  And, he had applied a ¼” layer of foam over the inner sides and top rails over the shaved sculpted foam earlier installed. Plus, he had created the back foam pieces. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/white914.jpg)  |
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| Lucky9146 |
May 7 2018, 11:28 PM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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He did this with the seat bottoms which I thought was duty above and beyond. Before and after pics shown. First pic the foam is upside down unfortunately.
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| Lucky9146 |
May 7 2018, 11:39 PM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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He was cutting and fitting the vinyl this afternoon when I stopped by again. Check out that back! Clearly, like anything done well, it is all the work you never see that is the most important to yield a good result.
Unfortunately, I have other commitments the next few days and will miss further progress. I am hoping he will take pics for me. Should be done this week. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/white914.jpg)   |
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| defianty |
May 8 2018, 07:55 AM
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Ooh, they're gonna look good!
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| tygaboy |
May 8 2018, 08:05 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,270 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California
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Thanks for posting all the details. I always appreciate better understanding the various processes that are used in making/rebuilding/fixing the different parts of our little cars. Can't wait to see the finished results! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) |
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| Lucky9146 |
May 8 2018, 08:55 AM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(defianty @ May 8 2018, 06:55 AM) Ooh, they're gonna look good! Thanks! They are certainly coming along way different (better) than I thought. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) This is the corduroy I found that very closely matches the original. Note the number 10 73 which I have no idea what it means, maybe a run number or lot number, I don't know but I am going to pretend it means Oct 1973 and means it is "period correct" material just for fun!. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/white914.jpg)   |
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| Lucky9146 |
May 8 2018, 09:01 AM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(tygaboy @ May 8 2018, 07:05 AM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Thanks for posting all the details. I always appreciate better understanding the various processes that are used in making/rebuilding/fixing the different parts of our little cars. Can't wait to see the finished results! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) I am a wood worker and know a lot of "tricks" with wood, much like Oscar sure knows what he is doing here with all his exacting experience. This is another in process picture from yesterday which shows how he pins/ fits the vinyl to the seat. I too like to see how things are done. Thanks for looking in! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/white914.jpg)  |
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| Lucky9146 |
May 8 2018, 09:12 AM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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And here is proof positive, from the back of the removed vinyl, that the seats were recovered in naguhyde years ago (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
The vinyl grain was way off with being too course. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/white914.jpg)  |
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| Lucky9146 |
May 11 2018, 10:58 PM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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Returning to the shop yesterday afternoon I found the seat bottoms, which had I thought were ready to be covered, had been further enhanced from the post I did earlier. Now the sides have been faced and sculpted plus a thin layer of foam was applied to the top side.
Oscar noted that the back edge of the bottom cushion now matches the angle of the seat back. Details! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/white914.jpg) WAS  NOW  |
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| Lucky9146 |
May 11 2018, 11:03 PM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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He was working on the corduroy seat bottom panels and had attached this bar to the back side which will in turn be inserted into a slit he makes in the bottom foam to attach the fabric panel and secure it. And side pieces ready to be sewn to the seat bottom. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| Lucky9146 |
May 11 2018, 11:08 PM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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The vinyl sides were now completely finished and the corduroy seat backs were done and also installed, The stitching was just amazing! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)
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| Larmo63 |
May 12 2018, 12:24 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 3-March 14 From: San Clemente, Ca Member No.: 17,068 Region Association: Southern California |
Wow, looking great!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)
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| Lucky9146 |
May 12 2018, 09:11 AM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(Larmo63 @ May 11 2018, 11:24 PM) Thanks! and I was thinking about your stuck head rests yesterday and I shot this picture of my head rest post to show old dried glue from the previous recover in several areas. As I watched I could see how easy it was to end up with glue there. So he was careful to not spray near the post but even so we ended up wiping the posts down with lacquer thinner to be sure they were clean.  This picture below shows a slot which could possibly have some type of keeper to lock the head rest in place, but on my posts (above) you can see there is no corresponding slot that would allow locking. Not saying yours doesn't have a slot in the post and they are in deed locked. Hope you figure it out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/white914.jpg)  |
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| Larmo63 |
May 12 2018, 04:07 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 3-March 14 From: San Clemente, Ca Member No.: 17,068 Region Association: Southern California |
I have those slots too, but there is nothing in them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
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| Lucky9146 |
May 12 2018, 06:26 PM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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I’m running about a day behind in posting. I had the opportunity yesterday to witness the head rests rework and it proved to be much more involved than I’d imagined. For instance, this head rest had a crater in the face of it and Oscar said that it would show when done.
 Here it is filled, and he did other things too, like filling & blending and correcting the bottoms which looked pretty funky.    And then he added to the sides and blended. Saving some old original head rests for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/white914.jpg)    |
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| moparrob |
May 12 2018, 07:24 PM
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| raynekat |
May 12 2018, 11:30 PM
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Looking crazy nice! Those will be some beauties to sit on.
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| Lucky9146 |
May 13 2018, 03:05 PM
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Always Wanted A Bigger Go Cart Group: Members Posts: 1,607 Joined: 22-September 14 From: Poway California Member No.: 17,942 Region Association: Southern California
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QUOTE(moparrob @ May 12 2018, 06:24 PM) I agree (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) and Friday was the big day. The seats were finished Friday and I got to see it! As I said in my last post I got to hang out and witness the head rest repair and recover.   And add a little hand stitching to close up the bottoms, ready to install. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/white914.jpg)  |
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