Outlaw 914s, Show your "Outlaw" rides Options

[Millerwelds]

I say we change it up. It should be "914 Inlaws"

This group is a perfect example of Inlaws all the way around. Give each other shit, try to scare the new guy till he leaves, tell each other what they can or can't or should / should not do with their projects. Show up on the 914 holidays / gatherings and make asses out of ourselves. Band together to save those in need, donate time and parts to deserving causes....

Good, bad, ugly and everything in between. So there you have it.

Someone design and sell badges on the cheap so we can all roll with them. Everyone here is a member. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[whitetwinturbo]

This outlaw should scare the inlaw away......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif)

[dangerranger01]

I don't know, but these are outlaw fender flares for sure...

[euro911]

Looks like a contestant in tractor races (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[poorsche914]

This outlaw should scare the inlaw away......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif)

This outlaw constantly won FTOD at local autocrosses for several years!


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[carr914]

Group 5 or Outlaw?

That at one time had a 962 engine in it

[earossi]

I never thought of my car as an outlaw......but, in reality, it is not a stock car either.

My objective in doing the project was to maintain somewhat of a "stock" look to the car, while doing things that would improve the performance and fun of the car.

To start the project required a search for a restorable 914. The car I selected was a 1976 model that had spent much of its life in California and ended up in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Dry, high desert country. So, though it had some rust (what 914 does not!), it was minimal. None of it was structural. So, the longs, floor pans, and trunk floors were serviceable. The battery tray did require replacement, and there was some minor rust, but very little in comparison to what I have seen here in the East.

And, there is no evidence of any accident repairs to the car.

I had much of the restoration done in Salt Lake City. I did not want to spend a huge amount, but ended up with about $18k in the car (which did not include the conversion to a 3.2/6 later in the project). For that amount, I ended up with a car that was disassembled for paint. The paint job is not concours quality (for which I did not want to pay). I would call the paint a good 5 foot car quality. Not perfect, but since the car was going to be a driver.....why spend $7k or so on a concours quality paint job to get it chipped as soon as you take it on the freeway!

I also had the interior done, but again, there was not any effort made to duplicate original. The color scheme chosen was also not stock: Estoril Blue with a Coral Red interior (think BMW M3).

But, suspension and power plant were areas that received the changes.

So, the car was modded as follows:

- Brad Mayeur (914Ltd) longitudinal stiffeners
- 911 Front Suspension
- 5-stud hubs
- Boxster front brake calipers (Rich Johnson)
- Adjustable Koni Sport shocks
- Trailing arm stiffeners (PMB design)
- 21mm torsion bars
- Elephant Racing rubber bushings
- 911 3.2 injected engine (not included in stated costs!)
- 916 steel flares
- 6 and 7 inch 16" Fuchs wheels
- Back dated chrome bumpers
- Aft mounted auxiliary oil cooler with electric fan assist
- 19mm master cylinder
- All suspension bushings were replaced with rubber

[r_towle]

I don't know, but these are outlaw fender flares for sure...

I want that car.
Is it for sale of long gone?

[lonewolfe]

I never thought of my car as an outlaw......but, in reality, it is not a stock car either.

My objective in doing the project was to maintain somewhat of a "stock" look to the car, while doing things that would improve the performance and fun of the car.

To start the project required a search for a restorable 914. The car I selected was a 1976 model that had spent much of its life in California and ended up in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Dry, high desert country. So, though it had some rust (what 914 does not!), it was minimal. None of it was structural. So, the longs, floor pans, and trunk floors were serviceable. The battery tray did require replacement, and there was some minor rust, but very little in comparison to what I have seen here in the East.

And, there is no evidence of any accident repairs to the car.

I had much of the restoration done in Salt Lake City. I did not want to spend a huge amount, but ended up with about $18k in the car (which did not include the conversion to a 3.2/6 later in the project). For that amount, I ended up with a car that was disassembled for paint. The paint job is not concours quality (for which I did not want to pay). I would call the paint a good 5 foot car quality. Not perfect, but since the car was going to be a driver.....why spend $7k or so on a concours quality paint job to get it chipped as soon as you take it on the freeway!

I also had the interior done, but again, there was not any effort made to duplicate original. The color scheme chosen was also not stock: Estoril Blue with a Coral Red interior (think BMW M3).

But, suspension and power plant were areas that received the changes.

So, the car was modded as follows:

- Brad Mayeur (914Ltd) longitudinal stiffeners
- 911 Front Suspension
- 5-stud hubs
- Boxster front brake calipers (Rich Johnson)
- Adjustable Koni Sport shocks
- Trailing arm stiffeners (PMB design)
- 21mm torsion bars
- Elephant Racing rubber bushings
- 911 3.2 injected engine (not included in stated costs!)
- 916 steel flares
- 6 and 7 inch 16" Fuchs wheels
- Back dated chrome bumpers
- Aft mounted auxiliary oil cooler with electric fan assist
- 19mm master cylinder
- All suspension bushings were replaced with rubber

Your car looks great! I love the color! Is that an original Porsche color?

[earossi]

I never thought of my car as an outlaw......but, in reality, it is not a stock car either.

My objective in doing the project was to maintain somewhat of a "stock" look to the car, while doing things that would improve the performance and fun of the car.

To start the project required a search for a restorable 914. The car I selected was a 1976 model that had spent much of its life in California and ended up in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Dry, high desert country. So, though it had some rust (what 914 does not!), it was minimal. None of it was structural. So, the longs, floor pans, and trunk floors were serviceable. The battery tray did require replacement, and there was some minor rust, but very little in comparison to what I have seen here in the East.

And, there is no evidence of any accident repairs to the car.

I had much of the restoration done in Salt Lake City. I did not want to spend a huge amount, but ended up with about $18k in the car (which did not include the conversion to a 3.2/6 later in the project). For that amount, I ended up with a car that was disassembled for paint. The paint job is not concours quality (for which I did not want to pay). I would call the paint a good 5 foot car quality. Not perfect, but since the car was going to be a driver.....why spend $7k or so on a concours quality paint job to get it chipped as soon as you take it on the freeway!

I also had the interior done, but again, there was not any effort made to duplicate original. The color scheme chosen was also not stock: Estoril Blue with a Coral Red interior (think BMW M3).

But, suspension and power plant were areas that received the changes.

So, the car was modded as follows:

- Brad Mayeur (914Ltd) longitudinal stiffeners
- 911 Front Suspension
- 5-stud hubs
- Boxster front brake calipers (Rich Johnson)
- Adjustable Koni Sport shocks
- Trailing arm stiffeners (PMB design)
- 21mm torsion bars
- Elephant Racing rubber bushings
- 911 3.2 injected engine (not included in stated costs!)
- 916 steel flares
- 6 and 7 inch 16" Fuchs wheels
- Back dated chrome bumpers
- Aft mounted auxiliary oil cooler with electric fan assist
- 19mm master cylinder
- All suspension bushings were replaced with rubber

Your car looks great! I love the color! Is that an original Porsche color?

No, the color is a BMW color. Its a dark blue metallic with a slightly purple tinge to it. The BMW color code is B45.

[dangerranger01]

I want that car.
Is it for sale of long gone?

Wait really or are you trolling? It was a road race car if I remember right, back in the 80s. Looks like it was extended by an extra door...and I recall it being center seat....

[mgp4591]

I never thought of my car as an outlaw......but, in reality, it is not a stock car either.

My objective in doing the project was to maintain somewhat of a "stock" look to the car, while doing things that would improve the performance and fun of the car.

To start the project required a search for a restorable 914. The car I selected was a 1976 model that had spent much of its life in California and ended up in Idaho Falls, Idaho. Dry, high desert country. So, though it had some rust (what 914 does not!), it was minimal. None of it was structural. So, the longs, floor pans, and trunk floors were serviceable. The battery tray did require replacement, and there was some minor rust, but very little in comparison to what I have seen here in the East.

And, there is no evidence of any accident repairs to the car.

I had much of the restoration done in Salt Lake City. I did not want to spend a huge amount, but ended up with about $18k in the car (which did not include the conversion to a 3.2/6 later in the project). For that amount, I ended up with a car that was disassembled for paint. The paint job is not concours quality (for which I did not want to pay). I would call the paint a good 5 foot car quality. Not perfect, but since the car was going to be a driver.....why spend $7k or so on a concours quality paint job to get it chipped as soon as you take it on the freeway!

I also had the interior done, but again, there was not any effort made to duplicate original. The color scheme chosen was also not stock: Estoril Blue with a Coral Red interior (think BMW M3).

But, suspension and power plant were areas that received the changes.

So, the car was modded as follows:

- Brad Mayeur (914Ltd) longitudinal stiffeners
- 911 Front Suspension
- 5-stud hubs
- Boxster front brake calipers (Rich Johnson)
- Adjustable Koni Sport shocks
- Trailing arm stiffeners (PMB design)
- 21mm torsion bars
- Elephant Racing rubber bushings
- 911 3.2 injected engine (not included in stated costs!)
- 916 steel flares
- 6 and 7 inch 16" Fuchs wheels
- Back dated chrome bumpers
- Aft mounted auxiliary oil cooler with electric fan assist
- 19mm master cylinder
- All suspension bushings were replaced with rubber

I remember watching your car being worked on (and I helped hold a few things in place while work was being done!) and I agree that it doesn't come off as an "outlaw" because it resembles many others in the changes that were made, but those individual touches do fall into an outlaw theme- it's what you wanted and the upgrades improved the overall performance and the look of the car is unconventional with the red interior (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) which is better seen than described! It took alot of attention to detail and the car comes off great, really an eye popper! That's what brings this question to mind- Does it have to look outlaw to be outlaw? Some here are obviously built to insult the PCA crowd and others look tame but will bite your ass if you turn your back. So the question comes up again- what is needed to determine your car to be an "outlaw"... and does anyone really care? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[maf914]

Is this outlaw enough........

Hey Paul, Someone stole your air scoop! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[MJHanna]

I’ve being reading this thread and have held back on saying much but an outlaw to me still has to be a street car. That is it has to have a license and is run on the street. Race cars are race cars and there are a lot of configurations and some wild things done to 914s for the sake of going faster within whatever rules the car has to comply with to run with that series. I keep thinking my 914 was an “outlaw” but after playing with it and just looking at it the last several weeks, it just is not. It falls into the “sleeper” category and I can live with that. I did what I wanted to do to it and all the things I changed make the car “my version” of a killer combination. You have to look close at mine to understand all the changes. If it was an outlaw you would not have to look close, it would scream from 10 feet. That’s the best way I can define what an outlaw is to me.

[madmax914]

I’ve being reading this thread and have held back on saying much but an outlaw to me still has to be a street car. That is it has to have a license and is run on the street. Race cars are race cars and there are a lot of configurations and some wild things done to 914s for the sake of going faster within whatever rules the car has to comply with to run with that series. I keep thinking my 914 was an “outlaw” but after playing with it and just looking at it the last several weeks, it just is not. It falls into the “sleeper” category and I can live with that. I did what I wanted to do to it and all the things I changed make the car “my version” of a killer combination. You have to look close at mine to understand all the changes. If it was an outlaw you would not have to look close, it would scream from 10 feet. That’s the best way I can define what an outlaw is to me.

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Somewhere in your statement is the definition of a 914 "Outlaw".

[whitetwinturbo]

I say slap a license on this one and go all OUTLAW (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif)

[ssuperflyoldguy]

Since we all know that there are some awesome "Outlaw 914s" represented on 914world, I thought it might be cool to start a thread. Show us your "Outlaw" rides.

mmmm - Outlaw says something a little vintage, lowered, acceptable vintage wheels, performance modifications but kinda vintage go fast at first glance, not too shiny, primer helps, cool exhaust note, soot around it. What's German for moonshine runner? - but I think until Magnus builds one, we won't really know.
My take:
I like GT flares, not Outlaw however- can't show a pic yet as I don't have it in my driveway yet but soon...
Fattest tire pushing limit's of stock (or at least appearing stock) contributes to Outlaw
Patina Fuchs, Outlaw
Full polished Fuchs, not Outlaw
really nice stock lugnuts, not Outlaw
Extended wheel studs, Outlaw
drilled out stuff, Outlaw,
color matched mirrors, not Outlaw,
polished stock old school chrome, Outlaw
Leaving the old chrome, Outlaw
Shaving door handles, not Outlaw because they are Chrome.
Picard, not Outlaw
Kirk, seriously?
Taking out the trash, not Outlaw
Taking out the trash and stopping to look at your Outlaw, Outlaw
Slammed, Outlaw
reg ride height, not outlaw (unless rallied recently - see unwashed below)
Go fast stickers or real #'s, Outlaw
unwashed, Outlaw
Monster Energy Stickers, not Outlaw unless they paid you to pimp them around...
Bride seats, not Outlaw
Empty pill bottle of crosstops, Outlaw (very Kowalski)
If you know who Kowalski is, you get Outlaw street Cred even if you drive a GeoMetro
OE800 or King Cobra, Outlaw
Going wine tasting in your Outlaw, not Outlaw
Going on a tach-check thru wine country, Outlaw
Drinking and driving, stupid
mismatched Recaros, Outlaw
missing unessential bodywork or parts, Outlaw
switching to chrome bumpers, Outlaw
modern paint colors, Not Outlaw
Slick engine swaps, not Outlaw
effective but not so slick engine swap, Outlaw
Carbuerated 6 cyl anything, Outlaw
Vintage speed stuff on engine, Outlaw
modern Fuel injection, not Outlaw unless you built it and can tune it.
completely buffed out & modified OEM FI, Outlaw
big weber's, Outlaw
ICT's, subtract Outlaw status points
Big modern stereo with Nav screen & iphone holder, not Outlaw
Blaupunk radio, Outlaw
Hole in dash where radio was, Outlaw
Trying too hard, not Outlaw
flashing your lights to move someone out of the way, Outlaw
quiet exhaust, not Outlaw
Steel wheels, not Outlaw (except mine all dated 6/66 - true)
Widened steelies, Outlaw
Slick fuel cap in ctr of hood, not Outlaw in my book
Slick fuel cap in driver's side of hood, Outlaw
Can-openered hole in hood to get to fuel cap, Outlaw
Flip open fuel cap stolen from a classic Mini, Outlaw.
a combination of at least half of these may make your teener an Outlaw
If you have to ask, not an Outlaw...

Don't mind the spelling, bedtime and my first 914World post.

[thieuster]

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And a great first posting.

Off course, we want to see pics. 'Pics or it didn't happen' is the expression, I think (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Menno

[MJHanna]

ssuperflyoldguy, Nice list but some of your list can lead to a sleeper rather than an outlaw: such as your engine requirements: this engine meets your def of an outlaw but you will never know it..... but I will (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

[DBCooper]

Outlaw means no rules. If you have to look up the rules for what's outlaw and what's not there's a pretty fair chance your car is not outlaw.