Since we all know that there are some awesome "Outlaw 914s" represented on 914world, I thought it might be cool to start a thread. Show us your "Outlaw" rides.

so....first question...what makes an "outlaw 914?" ?

I don't know. That was one of the reasons I posted the thread - to see what you all consider an "outlaw." Emory Motorsports has been doing "Outlaw" Porsches since the 80s. There's are often sleepers. Magnus clearly has a different style than that. I would define an outlaw as a street-legal race car. Full performance, within the boundary of still needing to be street legal. Maybe someone eel will weigh in with a definition.

Well I'll volonteer mine for judging then. It's a '74 2.0 ex California car now living with me in Sweden.
It's been fully torn down and rebuilt over the last 2½ years. For me its like trying to make a 914 inspired by my favorite Porsche,
the 964 RS, by loosing a bit of weight, firming up the suspension, better brakes and adding a touch more hp while retaining
most of the original looks.

Chassis has been reinforced, new suspension bushings, new shocks, five bolt conversion, front and rear trunk lids and bumpers in fibre glass, engine gets ITB's
and modern fuel injection as a first stage while later building a stroker engine aiming for 150hp.

Usually tasteful modifications* to a nice car that irk purists

My opinion:

Stock width GT flares are not "outlaw"

GT flares that are a few inches wider than stock is "outlaw"

Switching over to European markers are not "outlaw"

Adding RS tail lights is "outlaw"

google "356 outlaw" most that come up right away is what I'd consider outlaw, not sure I've seen too many 914s that fill the bill.

So what about a narrow body?

RS Tailights on a 914. Pictures?

...............yeah, not so much stock anymore.....could be an "outlaw" and now being worked on in thread "There Goes The Neighborhood".

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Some on Pinterest:
https://www.pinterest.com/gerhard_hillman/p...che-914-outlaw/

This one is one my favorites.

I see no reason a narrow bodied car cannot be an outlaw...I guess I meant a GT clone/replica car isn't really an outlaw in my book unless modified

Perfect example of an Outlaw!

Then maybe this counts?


It is "borderline" street legal.
It has brake lights, insurance, & tags. - That's it.

Greenie Meenie

I don’t know if 914/4s are collectible enough to be an outlaw. The big point of the 356 outlaw movement is that owners are seriously jeopardizing the investment value of their cars, and then spending large amounts of money to modify them.

To be an outlaw in the 911 world means you would be joining the R Gruppe. And R Gruppe has a lot of parallels to the DKP VW Club. Most of the R Gruppe cars would not be that hard to return to stock, unlike the 356 outlaw crowd.

To be an outlaw in the 914 world, you would probably have to start with a /6. Unlike 356s, and Long Hood 911s most of the Porsche world doesn’t really care what you do to a /4, weather it is a Chevy V8, Subaru, or flares that would make a 70s IMSA fan envious…

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amazingly clean car.. simply wow!

I think that the outlaw definition is more along the lines of "concours correctness be dammed, here is my quick, politically incorrect, boy racer hotrod".

I don't think the car's value is that relevant. It is just co-incidence that the R Gruppe guys cars are up in price. 356 outlaws were in existence long before 356's became super valuable. Hot rod outlaws from the 40's were not relevant to price, nor were "bobber" bikes, but I would call them all prototypical "outlaws".

This is a cool car by the way that came up in that pinterest link.... http://porsche914.fr-bb.com/t2174-porsche-...rs-presentation .....Don't love the graphics but nice teener and fairly "outlaw".

There is a facebook group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/porsche914outlaw/


Here is my outlaw
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=114780

not finished does that count?

2.0 liter turbo 300hp suby
rebel racing suspension pieces
Racer Chris suspension and chassis pieces
engman pieces
Stock car rear shocks on hiem joints and mono balls
9/12' flares
louvers in front hood
corvette seats
olds 88 mirrors
Honda shifter and clutch master
celica radiator
water to air intercooler
led rear lights
Digidash dash....

I've colored outside the lines as much as I could..

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old pic, rest are on phone

I think what I really like about the 914 crowd is that they don't obsess over things like whether or not their car is an 'outlaw.' It's either 'on jackstands' or it's not.

Mike has this set-up on social media:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/porsche914outlaw/

Outlaw would be anything anti-purist. Non Stock parts and customizing for a performance gain that is borderline legal. Also think Hotrodding on a low budget.

I have a 911 engine going into this mess….

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not outlaw?

This Outlaw?

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Mine has been called a sleeper. I guess I'm the opposite of Outlaw? :-)

You know, as nice as so many 914's are in the forum; this is my favorite of all. The look is totally bad ass and the ultimate out law 914. If I had the skill and money, I would tray to capture this look.

You don't needs skills. Just money:

http://www.canepacollection.com/detail-197...d-13484378.html

That to me is an outlaw as it isn't conventional....show me another on here that looks the same,nice job,gets my vote .

I agree, my kind of car...skinny fenders with a 911 engine conversion with other goodies.
Very RGruppe to me.

Yeah, I'm not seeing a Porsche six as being "outlaw". I've been told a number of times that a P6 is a "proper" engine, unlike my turbo Subaru. So to be an outlaw I think you'd need quite a lot more than that, and they'd need to be "improper" modifications, whatever the hell that is. I have to admit I'm a little vague on what's "proper", but whatever it is an outlaw wouldn't be that.

Slightly off topic, here's a link to an "outlaw" 356 w/ a 3.0 911 engine in it-

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/1343-P...at%206-Cylinder

What an outlaw is has to be a tough question.

to each their own ^^ even though I tend to agree with DBCOOPER.. I like them more edgy and different.

The 356 above in the link I would call a sleeper.

OK, here's mine.

I did not think of it as an outlaw until a fellow Porschphile called it such. Then I figured he was right! Far from pure but way more fun... That was the motivation to start the facebook group. There are many like me that can't leave well enough alone...

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Near the Rock Store on Muholland
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I don't know; since 914's came w/ 5 speeds & either 4 or 6 cyl. air cooled engines, I would think anything less than 4 or more than 6 cyl. would be an outlaw. Also, water cooled would be an outlaw. By that same thinking anything under or over 5 speeds would also have to be considered. This however, is just my thinking. I don't consider my wanna be a 916 an outlaw.

I think "outlaw" connotes more of an attitude or a spirit than a particular drivetrain selection. An outlaw has to look like its a the stock car...mostly...but be subtly or not so subtly different. It can look radical, like Mike Bellis' or can look tame like the green 356/911, but either way, it has to be radically different from stock in the coolest of ways. It must be innovative, be well crafted and an extreme performance monster. Definitely not your grandfathers Porsche.

Is Ricks 918-S an outlaw? How about Chappies? or Marty's?

I think so...

I'd like to see a 914 with tubbed rear wheels, completely de-trimmed, dechromed, pop-out doors and a tilt-rear end.

I would judge an outlaw, as a car with major addendum and/or disassociation gratia performance, with out due regard for the quality of execution....

Sounds like a lawyers definition

Now THAT'S an outlaw!

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Would this be an outlaw? Narrow body but very clean v8 engine transplant.

Dave

Absolutely! Is that the only thing different from stock on your car? I would think that additions made to the car that aren't just a stock upgrade but enhance performance without degrading other aspects of the car qualify as outlaw. If the engine took handling or braking performance away from stock, that would not add to the overall balance of the car- I think that's the difference. If your changes add to the performance and keep the car balanced as much as possible, that would be an outlaw. Show us what else you've done to the car that helps the V8 work better in that platform. Great looking car too- a V8 sleeper is a great surprise to alot of people I'm sure!

Crap....now I'm maybe not a sleeper but an outlaw again? I just don't know....

Not stock:
Rear fenders cut and stretched 2 inches
Cowl vents deleted
Side markers deleted
Antenna deleted
Hood badge deleted
Windshield sprayers deleted
Radio, air controls and ashtray deleted
Backdated bumpers

911 front suspension and brakes
911 Carrera 3.2 motor
GT inspired interior

16x8 & 16x7" wheels

Did I mention the LE spoiler? That makes the car pretty much priceless.

Countlesss other little mods but still looks VERY tame to the casual observer.

Mike, we voted…….you're officially Outlaw

It's because I am from AZ, isn't it? We get a bad rap out here!!

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No lawyers here Just a poor attempt to riff on the outlaw theme.

My outlaw.

72 body
5.3 lsx all aluminum ls1 intake.
Boxster S 6 speed
Complete chassis stiffening kit
Adj front sway rear sway
Bilstein
RS interior,no hvac glove box or key
Sparco race seats

Not sure if little ugly qualifies. 2.4 6cyl factory engine mounts,oil tank. 225/50/16 rear tires with boxter wheels, Bigger brakes and a lot more smiles from the driver.