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Dropping the engine?, But NOT the tranny? |
Air_Cooled_Nut |
Mar 4 2005, 08:51 AM
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914 Ronin - 914 owner who lost his 914club.com Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Beaverton, Oregon Member No.: 584 Region Association: None |
I have experience dropping the engine and engine + tranny in my air-cooled VW as well as installing them, all by myself. I need to drop my 914 engine to give it the once-over and try to stop the oil leaks (aside from tightening the oil filter (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) , boy, that impressed me...stupid PO). I would rather just drop the engine instead of the engine & tranny -- limited garage space being a consideration but not a show-stopper.
So, fairly easy? What about installation? I know w/the VW engines they take a little wiggling to get the main shaft splines into the clutch hole, however, the Type III engine is lucky in that there's no middle tin to separate the top of the engine from the bottom in the engine compartment so I don't know if that will be a variable in the formula or not. Anyone do it? Experiences and suggestions? |
tdgray |
Mar 4 2005, 09:00 AM
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Thank God Nemo is not here to see this Group: Members Posts: 9,705 Joined: 5-August 03 From: Akron, OH Member No.: 984 Region Association: None |
Just my .02 but I think that would be harder than just droping the whole enchilada.
Oh that reminds me I'm hungry. MMMM Enchiladas (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/drooley.gif) |
Rusty |
Mar 4 2005, 09:00 AM
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Wanted: Engine case GA003709 Group: Admin Posts: 7,941 Joined: 24-December 02 From: North Alabama Member No.: 6 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
I've heard it's possible... but very challenging.
I'd rather drop the entire drivetrain... it helps keep everything balanced on the jack. -Rusty (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smoke.gif) |
Joe Ricard |
Mar 4 2005, 09:02 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Either way you got to remove the shift rod starter wiring back up light wiring. Do it together and you will be OK. Separately and you are all alone.
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sgomes |
Mar 4 2005, 09:04 AM
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Electric Member Group: Members Posts: 815 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 2,029 |
I'm not even sure it's possible. Just trying to picture it in my mind. You would need to be able to move the engine forward enough to disengage the transmission input shaft. And if you have something holding up the transmission while it remains in the car, how would you get the engine out?? It would have to come out sideways??? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) I guess if you had one of those awesome lifts in your garage then you could manage it. Wow. I really wouldn't attempt this. But if you do, (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif)
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URY914 |
Mar 4 2005, 09:16 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,446 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
I agree with sgomes, I don't think it can be done. There is no room to move the engine forward the 2-3" you need.
Drop it together and we can all help you with that. Drop the engine only and you'll be the first. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) Paul |
Sammy |
Mar 4 2005, 09:38 AM
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. Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Orange, Ca Member No.: 178 |
I disagree completely!
You can drop the engine without dropping the transmission at the same time and here's how: First, drop the transmission, go drink a beer, then drop the engine. No thanks necessary. That's what I'm here for. |
tat2dphreak |
Mar 4 2005, 09:55 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
the way I see it is you can drop the tranny independantly... but if you want to drop the motor... the tranny comes too...
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Rhodes71/914 |
Mar 4 2005, 09:58 AM
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Glacier Group: Members Posts: 1,374 Joined: 8-August 04 From: End of the Road, Alaska Member No.: 2,482 |
Do I reiterate what everybody else has just said (typed), yeah sure. I think it would be a PITA. Even a small garage, once the whole thing is out just disconnect the tranny and put it out of the way somewhere.
On a VW bus sure, on a 914 your asking for some serious cusing. |
davep |
Mar 4 2005, 10:55 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,138 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
If it was possible, and it may be, it would take 100 times as long. No percentage in it. I'm sure you can find space for the tranny somewhere.
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Trekkor |
Mar 4 2005, 11:24 AM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
The fast guys drop the whole package in an hour.
I'd go slow and do it in two hours. Slide the trans back under the car if it's in your way (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) I cleaned it and replaced all the seals while it out. KT |
URY914 |
Mar 4 2005, 11:54 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,446 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Ya need to have a engine drop contest at the next WCC.
Two man teams, two jack stands, one floor jack, one case of beer. Ready.....Go! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
TravisNeff |
Mar 4 2005, 12:13 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Save yourself the grief and do it as a whole assembly. Separating them and pulling just the engine is going to be tough as you have to support the front end of the tranny - then the engine has to come out sideways (ahead of the rear wheels). I would think if you did it this way you would have the engine on the floor and then realize, how the hell am I going to get this out now!
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Brando |
Mar 4 2005, 12:28 PM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
You have to remove them both. It's just 10-12 more bolts.
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URY914 |
Mar 4 2005, 01:47 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,446 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Lets see....8 bolts on the cv joints and 4 bolts at the rear tranny mounts for a total of 12. Instead of the four bolts that hold the tranny to the engine. So 8 more bolts and a lot less time. |
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Pudge |
Mar 4 2005, 02:39 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 7-February 05 From: Tampa, FL Member No.: 3,568 |
When i bought mine the engine was out but the tranny was still connected at the cv joints, the PO said he unbolted the tranny after he had the motor mounts unbolted and the motor was on a jack and he couldn't get the motor far enough forward to get it apart from the tranny. He ended up dropping them both and then seperating them under the car.
Don't know if this helps cause this guy was not the sharpest knife in the drawer. |
Air_Cooled_Nut |
Mar 5 2005, 01:29 PM
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914 Ronin - 914 owner who lost his 914club.com Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Beaverton, Oregon Member No.: 584 Region Association: None |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) LOL Okay, I'll do the whole enchilada, no biggie. Thanks volks! |
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