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| oldschool |
 Sep 20 2015, 06:07 PM
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My buddy ask if a type 4 can be put in his 1971 bug? any links would be cool.
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| oldschool |
Sep 20 2015, 06:07 PM
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| Steve |
Sep 20 2015, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(oldschool @ Sep 20 2015, 05:07 PM)  My buddy ask if a type 4 can be put in his 1971 bug? any links would be cool. I heard of it being done in a baja bug or dune buggy,but the front fan prevents it from fitting in a bug |
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| Tom_T |
Sep 20 2015, 06:28 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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I've seen them in Ghias with some tin/engine bay wall mods, usually using the late Bay Window Bus T-4 motor since it's already set-up to fit the van as a taildragger.
So I would think that you could work a Bus T-4 into a Bug as well, but not sure how much work. You can check with Ron at FAT Performance in Orange, as he's build as many T-4s as anyone - race, off-road & street, including many Baja 500/1000 winners over the years. IIRC a certain T-4 engine builder back east in GA learned the trade from Ron or one of his sub-contractors out here in SoCal. http://fatperformance.com/home/ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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| r_towle |
Sep 20 2015, 06:30 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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Yes, it was a common swap.
Use an old type one round fan cover Use two sets of type four head tin, sectioned to make up two head tins that basically use the back half of our 914 tin on both ends, so all the air comes from the round fan. Type4 secrets and shoptalk forums has some threads on how to build it....not terribly hard to do. Cip1 and a German firm have the unique generator stand that fits on op of the oil filler tower. Rich |
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| r_towle |
Sep 20 2015, 06:34 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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Tell your friend to lookup "German look" beetles
It's European origins but basically is a type 4 motor into a beetle as the common mod. |
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| bandjoey |
Sep 20 2015, 06:40 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,925 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
the samba.com. Lots of the
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| Mark Henry |
Sep 20 2015, 10:20 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Read my signature....the bit about the '67 bug
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| DBCooper |
Sep 21 2015, 05:31 AM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
Yeah, big block bug. If anyone's interested I have one of Joe Locicero's original (pre-Raby) DTM fan shrouds left over. Converts the T4 cooling to upright so it fits in a T1 and even still has Joe's own handwritten assembly notes.
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| Mark Henry |
Sep 21 2015, 11:15 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
The fastest T4 conversion is a DTM fan shroud with the surround kit, a type 4 200mm conversion flywheel, beetle clutch (KEP stage 1 PP) and a pair of weber IDF carbs.
Joe Locicero shroud is ok, but will take you a fair bit of fab work. A long time ago I worked on a bug with a T4 fan what a total POS install, ended up changing it to a Sharpbuilt (911 fan). One cool thing I did was when replacing the rear apron was I left it unwelded so the apron could be removed when R&Ring the engine. What I did is a all metal cross between a VW, Joe Locicero and DTM shroud Turned out nice, but I'd never do again just because of the time it took to build. Mine is also a bit of a tighter fit because I used a 911-901 transmission. Here's a pic, bit dirty because it's my summer daily driver. Attached image(s) 
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| Jake Raby |
Sep 21 2015, 11:43 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
2270 Roller Cam with A/C and V2 DTM
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| EdwardBlume |
Sep 21 2015, 11:44 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California
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The real deal old time 356 racers used TIV motors....
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