 Muellers Honda V6 914 project, Put 70 miles on this engine swap, now to drop broken motor |
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| Mueller |
 Mar 25 2018, 12:17 PM
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914 Freak!  Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Mar 25 2018, 11:01 AM)  Hey Mike - I believe that is the same place where I had my 6 steam cleaned after I bought it. Mine looked like it was at the bottom of an oil drum for years and had oil and caked on crud that was like 1/4" thick all over the bottom. The steam cleaner did a good job. Ultimately, that is what allowed me to realize the whole car needed to come apart rather than just fixing the major components and trying to drive it. Not a lot of places with a lift that do steam cleaning anymore. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) 3rd gen operators there, the hot water tank is from 1927 and looks in great shape. |
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| Mueller |
Apr 28 2018, 12:26 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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Test fitting muffler ...... Flowmaster 80 dual in, dual outlet. Want to make a poormans GT muffler. $50 brand new on Amazon for the muffler.
I found a company in Germany making these for 911's (cannot find the darn link now) Plan is to cap the lower outlets on the side. Once I get my HE's I can model up the rest.   |
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| tygaboy |
Apr 28 2018, 12:55 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California
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So that muffler has an "X" pipe inside, like this one?
I'm looking for something like this pic, a true cross over that I can use to have an inlet and and outlet each end - but I'm limited to about 5" height/thickness. This schematic is for a 370Z muffler but it's 6"... Attached thumbnail(s) 
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| Mueller |
Apr 28 2018, 01:38 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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No, not a crossflow
Roughly like the pic below. Harry with the 3.5 Honda/Acura V6 powered 914 has this muffler however his only has one outlet. He didn't know of the 2 outlet option when building his car. Sounds great with his motor.  |
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| Chris914n6 |
Apr 28 2018, 03:06 PM
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Jackstands are my life. Group: Members Posts: 3,304 Joined: 14-March 03 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 431 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 28 2018, 11:55 AM) So that muffler has an "X" pipe in side, like this one? I'm looking for something like this pic, a true cross over that I can use to have an inlet and and outlet each end - but I'm limited to about 5" height/thickness. This schematic is for a 370Z muffler but it's 6"... Sounds like you want the Magnaflow I've been eyeballing for my 3.5L upgrade. |
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| tygaboy |
Apr 28 2018, 05:52 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(Chris914n6 @ Apr 28 2018, 02:06 PM) QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 28 2018, 11:55 AM) So that muffler has an "X" pipe in side, like this one? I'm looking for something like this pic, a true cross over that I can use to have an inlet and and outlet each end - but I'm limited to about 5" height/thickness. This schematic is for a 370Z muffler but it's 6"... Sounds like you want the Magnaflow I've been eyeballing for my 3.5L upgrade. Is this what you're talking about? Hmmm, not quite the same as the Borla and its two, separate inner pipes, but maybe... I'll have to give Magnaflow a call and see what they say. Thanks! Attached image(s) 
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| Andyrew |
Apr 29 2018, 11:22 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 28 2018, 11:55 AM) So that muffler has an "X" pipe inside, like this one? I'm looking for something like this pic, a true cross over that I can use to have an inlet and and outlet each end - but I'm limited to about 5" height/thickness. This schematic is for a 370Z muffler but it's 6"... Why not just build one yourself? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) I believe your looking for a Camaro style muffler. I believe magnaflow and flowmaster make one similar. Various sizes. |
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| Mueller |
Jul 10 2018, 05:46 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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Well......
Got an offer I couldn't pass up and the wife didn't offer any resistance when I brought it up. Remember a month ago when I drove a Honda/Acura 3.5 J series V6 converted 914? (250 to 275+ hp depending which model it came out of) I'm buying the entire engine swap minus radiator setup and transmission. He is not sure what he'll be replacing it with but I'm sure it'll be at least twice the power. Going with Celica GT based radiator and fan setup. Radiator should be here this week and then I'll start cutting holes and picking up the aluminum sheet for the shrouding. Now to see if I can unload the 1.8 I was building, lots of nice parts for it. Anyone know off hand which is the primary and secondary fan?   |
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| Chris H. |
Jul 10 2018, 05:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,028 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Nice buy Mike! You'll love it...but then again you know that if you have experienced the drive train already. Maybe you can coordinate a swap weekend and get that thing installed! Is the adapter plate for a 901? I'll send you some measurements for my shroud when it gets here. |
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| Mueller |
Jul 10 2018, 06:07 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jul 10 2018, 04:55 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Nice buy Mike! You'll love it...but then again you know that if you have experienced the drive train already. Maybe you can coordinate a swap weekend and get that thing installed! Is the adapter plate for a 901? I'll send you some measurements for my shroud when it gets here. Yes, 901 which I have 2 to choose from (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It uses a factory Honda ECU with a modified Honda harness so only 8 wires needed to hook up to the engine or something crazy like that. No need to tune or dyno which is nice. |
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| 914forme |
Jul 10 2018, 06:08 PM
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Times a wastin', get wrenchin'! Group: Members Posts: 3,896 Joined: 24-July 04 From: Dayton, Ohio Member No.: 2,388 Region Association: None
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Nice Mike, the 3.5 is a great engine and so many out there. Should move that car along nicely.
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| tygaboy |
Jul 10 2018, 06:59 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 6-October 15 From: Petaluma, CA Member No.: 19,241 Region Association: Northern California
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Welcome to the wild world of engine swapping! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sunglasses.gif)
Let's see if we can come up with other custom stuff can you add to the list of mods that'll ultimately slow down your build! (Ask me how I know...) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Seriously, that is a cool engine. If I wasn't doing the LS, I think I'd have gone Honda. I gotta get out your way and check this out in person... |
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| Andyrew |
Jul 10 2018, 07:52 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Love this! My wife's Pilot has loads of power and is twice the weight of a 914!
That's a good motor right there. Great initial punch and amazing power on the top end! I think the Celica radiator should do well for it but I would think 1.25" hoses might be a better choice. |
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| Chris H. |
Jul 10 2018, 08:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,028 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Jul 10 2018, 07:07 PM) QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jul 10 2018, 04:55 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Nice buy Mike! You'll love it...but then again you know that if you have experienced the drive train already. Maybe you can coordinate a swap weekend and get that thing installed! Is the adapter plate for a 901? I'll send you some measurements for my shroud when it gets here. Yes, 901 which I have 2 to choose from (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It uses a factory Honda ECU with a modified Honda harness so only 8 wires needed to hook up to the engine or something crazy like that. No need to tune or dyno which is nice. 8 wires???? You're bypassing the WORST part of the conversion process. It takes weeks and a huge piece of plywood to parse out an entire donor car harness. You don't have to deal with any of that! |
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| Mueller |
Jul 10 2018, 09:06 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(tygaboy @ Jul 10 2018, 05:59 PM) Welcome to the wild world of engine swapping! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sunglasses.gif) Let's see if we can come up with other custom stuff can you add to the list of mods that'll ultimately slow down your build! (Ask me how I know...) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Seriously, that is a cool engine. If I wasn't doing the LS, I think I'd have gone Honda. I gotta get out your way and check this out in person... Only complaint I have with the Honda motor is how tall it is since it is a 60° narrow V6 and the manifold they use is huge! |
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| Andyrew |
Jul 10 2018, 09:19 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jul 10 2018, 07:43 PM) QUOTE(Mueller @ Jul 10 2018, 07:07 PM) QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jul 10 2018, 04:55 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Nice buy Mike! You'll love it...but then again you know that if you have experienced the drive train already. Maybe you can coordinate a swap weekend and get that thing installed! Is the adapter plate for a 901? I'll send you some measurements for my shroud when it gets here. Yes, 901 which I have 2 to choose from (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It uses a factory Honda ECU with a modified Honda harness so only 8 wires needed to hook up to the engine or something crazy like that. No need to tune or dyno which is nice. 8 wires???? You're bypassing the WORST part of the conversion process. It takes weeks and a huge piece of plywood to parse out an entire donor car harness. You don't have to deal with any of that! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) That's just not fair!! |
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| Mueller |
Jul 10 2018, 09:25 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Andyrew @ Jul 10 2018, 08:19 PM) QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jul 10 2018, 07:43 PM) QUOTE(Mueller @ Jul 10 2018, 07:07 PM) QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jul 10 2018, 04:55 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Nice buy Mike! You'll love it...but then again you know that if you have experienced the drive train already. Maybe you can coordinate a swap weekend and get that thing installed! Is the adapter plate for a 901? I'll send you some measurements for my shroud when it gets here. Yes, 901 which I have 2 to choose from (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It uses a factory Honda ECU with a modified Honda harness so only 8 wires needed to hook up to the engine or something crazy like that. No need to tune or dyno which is nice. 8 wires???? You're bypassing the WORST part of the conversion process. It takes weeks and a huge piece of plywood to parse out an entire donor car harness. You don't have to deal with any of that! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) That's just not fair!! Hey, I still have to struggle wiring up the fans correctly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| Andyrew |
Jul 10 2018, 09:37 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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What water pump does it use? What ECU does it use?
My Davies Craig water pump and controller is awesome... Highly recommended and let's you pick the maintained temp.... The fan wiring should be really simple. Just link them together and go. Run a big enough wire to the relay and to the fans themselves to deal with the load and you won't have anything to worry about. |
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| Mueller |
Jul 10 2018, 11:08 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Andyrew @ Jul 10 2018, 08:37 PM) What water pump does it use? What ECU does it use? My Davies Craig water pump and controller is awesome... Highly recommended and let's you pick the maintained temp.... The fan wiring should be really simple. Just link them together and go. Run a big enough wire to the relay and to the fans themselves to deal with the load and you won't have anything to worry about. Factory water pump is all that Harry ran and he was told it was good enough for the sand rail guys. Factory ECU, uses a MAP sensor in the manifold. Should be very reliable and depending on serial number of unit, can be data logged and tweaked with a Hondata $300 program/hardware. For the fans I have an older SPAL pwm controller that I got dirt cheap due to a bad assembly procedure at the factory. They soldered a few capacitors too far off the board and the leads would break due to vibration. Easy fix. or just going old school with a temp sensor and simple relays. |
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| Chris914n6 |
Jul 10 2018, 11:21 PM
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Jackstands are my life. Group: Members Posts: 3,304 Joined: 14-March 03 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 431 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Pretty sure I figured out 1 is drivers side, 2 pass.
I ran an 8 gauge from the battery to the frunk --> fuse distribution block --> relays to fans and headlights with a couple extra for amps. Also ran the fan trigger wires past idiot lights in the gauges just to be in the know. Just 8 wires... lucky you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grouphug.gif) I basically copied the factory fuse box for like 3 dozen connections. Amazon had the 50ft roll of Gates hose down to $100 at one time. Now that you have a water pumper, use the 924/944 combo gauge plus the temp sender. I can't imagine Honda didn't use a 1/8npt like everyone else. |
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