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> Muellers Honda V6 914 project, Put 70 miles on this engine swap, now to drop broken motor
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post Mar 15 2021, 11:00 PM
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I took off the valve covers and rocker arms with nothing glaringly wrong. So the motor and transmission will be coming out.

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post Mar 16 2021, 07:32 AM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) what happened Mike? Bad noises? High temps?
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post Mar 16 2021, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(Chris H. @ Mar 16 2021, 06:32 AM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) what happened Mike? Bad noises? High temps?



I was out driving and pushed the rpms too far I believe.

Strange noise (does not sound like a bad bearing) and it seemed to be running on only half the engine.

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post Mar 16 2021, 12:24 PM
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Mueller love how you can handle all of the electrical the way that you do. You're a wizard! Love the sound on that 6. It really does sound like a flat 6. How did it pull? Great job!
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post Mar 16 2021, 12:41 PM
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Just a thought... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

From Wikipedia:

"One unique feature of some J-family engine models is Honda's Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) system. Initially, the system turns off one bank of cylinders under light loads, turning the V6 into a straight-3. Some versions were able to turn off one bank of cylinders or one cylinder on opposing banks, allowing for three-cylinder use under light loads and four-cylinder use under medium loads. "

Maybe VCM system is stuck on.
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post Mar 16 2021, 04:24 PM
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Chris, the later motors have that feature.

Motor is out, is that style of clutch plate a friendly type for street use?
Seems to be on or off for me.

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post Mar 16 2021, 08:33 PM
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That metallic puck clutch is unforgiving. You should put an organic stock disc in there. I'm running a stock LUK clutch setup on my 1.8t and love it.
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post Mar 16 2021, 09:27 PM
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Dump the 6 puck springless racing disc.

I don't know if a stock 914 disc will hold but you want that style. Kennedy might be the better place to go. They will ask if it's 9 inch (bus 228mm iirc) vs 215mm so measure first.

Mine is a Sport Kevlar from Clutchmasters good for 320hp or so but I planned ahead for a turbo... 20 years ago (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Mar 17 2021, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(Mike Bellis @ Mar 16 2021, 07:33 PM) *

That metallic puck clutch is unforgiving. You should put an organic stock disc in there. I'm running a stock LUK clutch setup on my 1.8t and love it.

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post Mar 17 2021, 11:40 AM
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I get the feeling you are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) . You know what my recombination would be! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Good luck Mike. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Mar 17 2021, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(76-914 @ Mar 17 2021, 10:40 AM) *

I get the feeling you are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) . You know what my recombination would be! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Good luck Mike. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)



Yea, I keep looking at the Subaru 5 speed transmission sitting next to my car thinking how easy it would be to just grab a Subaru 6 cylinder and go with that.
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post Mar 17 2021, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Mar 17 2021, 01:45 PM) *

QUOTE(76-914 @ Mar 17 2021, 10:40 AM) *

I get the feeling you are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) . You know what my recombination would be! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Good luck Mike. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)



Yea, I keep looking at the Subaru 5 speed transmission sitting next to my car thinking how easy it would be to just grab a Subaru 6 cylinder and go with that.


Agree with everyone on the clutch, and can sure see why a Subaru flat six is appealing from a design and philosophical standpoint.

What's the power delta against the V6, Mike?
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post Mar 17 2021, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Mar 17 2021, 01:45 PM) *

QUOTE(76-914 @ Mar 17 2021, 10:40 AM) *

I get the feeling you are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) . You know what my recombination would be! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Good luck Mike. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)



Yea, I keep looking at the Subaru 5 speed transmission sitting next to my car thinking how easy it would be to just grab a Subaru 6 cylinder and go with that.



While I commend you for tackling the road less taken, I have to agree with the Subaru route. We’re all pulling for
you to get your car on the road.
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post Mar 17 2021, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Mar 17 2021, 01:45 PM) *

QUOTE(76-914 @ Mar 17 2021, 10:40 AM) *

I get the feeling you are (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) . You know what my recombination would be! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Good luck Mike. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)



Yea, I keep looking at the Subaru 5 speed transmission sitting next to my car thinking how easy it would be to just grab a Subaru 6 cylinder and go with that.


Agree with everyone on the clutch, and can sure see why a Subaru flat six is appealing from a design and philosophical standpoint.

What's the power delta against the V6, Mike?


From a quick search it looks like about 30hp to 50hp advantage for the Honda motor.

Another option is to part the car out, recoup a few grand and sink that money into our 242 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)
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post Mar 17 2021, 03:57 PM
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Eh you’ll get a lot less for it parting it out Mike. Any idea what’s wrong with the engine? Is it toast for sure?
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post Mar 17 2021, 04:11 PM
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I'd be very inclined to just figure out what went wrong first, and then go from there.
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post Mar 17 2021, 04:27 PM
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Eh you’ll get a lot less for it parting it out Mike. Any idea what’s wrong with the engine? Is it toast for sure?


No, I think it is something minor, I think the frustration of working on our 20 year old stove top and oven right now is making me grumpy.

I'm taking this as a sign to fix up the engine compartment and do some welding, there are some holes in the firewall that really need to be addressed properly.
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No, I think it is something minor, I think the frustration of working on our 20 year old stove top and oven right now is making me grumpy.

I'm taking this as a sign to fix up the engine compartment and do some welding, there are some holes in the firewall that really need to be addressed properly.


I know the frustration. I have parts everywhere.
But hang in there, things will come around.
The good news for my build is that I get to put lower compression pistons in it to handle the boost better. There's always a bright side. Well, most always. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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post Mar 17 2021, 11:10 PM
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I was going through my tool box tonight and found my compression tester and leak down tester.....after I removed 1 cylinder head already..doh!


This head looks good, no signs of valves kissing the pistons.

The other head is going to be a challenge, 2 of the head bolts are damaged so I'll have to drill the heads off.

All 3 marks for TDC for the cams and crank line up perfectly so I highly doubt the belt jumped.



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QUOTE(Mueller @ Mar 18 2021, 12:10 PM) *

I was going through my tool box tonight and found my compression tester and leak down tester.....after I removed 1 cylinder head already..doh!


This head looks good, no signs of valves kissing the pistons.

The other head is going to be a challenge, 2 of the head bolts are damaged so I'll have to drill the heads off.

All 3 marks for TDC for the cams and crank line up perfectly so I highly doubt the belt jumped.



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Sorry to hear you're having problems and it seemed to be running well, except for running too hot. But, you will for sure get it sorted out.

I like Centerforce Dual Friction clutches (use with a matching Centerforce pressure plate and balance with everything). On 914s and other mid-engined cars too. Not as harsh as the 6 puck ones, but can handle lots of torque.
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