Hydraulic slave cylinder...how did you do it?, I know there has to be a few running a hydraulic clutch setup... |
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Hydraulic slave cylinder...how did you do it?, I know there has to be a few running a hydraulic clutch setup... |
Mueller |
Oct 29 2015, 08:08 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
The thread about BDSTONES awesome rebuilt pedal clusters got me thinking. .."how the heck do I activate my hydraulic cylinder that engages the pressure plate?" for my transmission?
Pics would be nice if you modified the pedal cluster. |
SirAndy |
Oct 29 2015, 08:21 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,636 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Paul Sayegh did a hydraulic clutch on his car. I'm pretty sure he posted pics here somewhere.
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shoguneagle |
Oct 29 2015, 08:41 PM
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shoguneagle Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 3-January 03 From: CA, OR, AZ (CAZOR); New Mexico Member No.: 84 Region Association: Northern California |
Mike, I am currently doing a hydraulic clutch (puller type slave) which uses the Wildwood master and slave. Same that Rich Johnson uses on "Old Yeller" down in Texas.
I may have some other information on other types such as pusher slaves, etc. Let me know and I will look up/forward the information. Steve |
Larry.Hubby |
Oct 29 2015, 08:43 PM
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Member who doesn't post much, but has a long time in 914s Group: Members Posts: 186 Joined: 24-November 04 From: Palo Alto, CA Member No.: 3,172 Region Association: Northern California |
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GeorgeRud |
Oct 29 2015, 08:45 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I think the slave cylinder is the easy part, mounting the master cylinder for the clutch is the more challenging part as it would require more fabrication. If someone would come up with a bolt in(well, weld in) kit, I think many of us would love to do the conversion.
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0396 |
Oct 29 2015, 08:49 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,046 Joined: 13-October 03 From: L.A. Calif Member No.: 1,245 Region Association: Southern California |
Yes a no brainer kit.
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DBCooper |
Oct 29 2015, 08:52 PM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
That's actually pretty simple, cheap, and bolt-in. Look on pages 7 and 8 of THIS thread of A&P Mech's build. It's something first done by 76-914 (and is in his build thread) that I also copied for my son's car and it works great. It uses a plate to locate a Honda master cylinder forward of the pedal cluster, then uses the cable hook on the clutch pedal for the M/C pushrod. Drill one hole, for the pushrod. I think I paid about $25 for the Honda M/C. That one pushes the Subaru clutch slave perfectly, if your slave is a different diameter/stroke you'd need to choose another M/C to fit.
In his build thread I think 76-914 even had a template for the plate, and if you use a slightly thicker gauge you won't need the bracing that A&P Mech put behind his. Mine didn't need it anyway, but I think that's mentioned as well. |
euro911 |
Oct 29 2015, 09:06 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,849 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California |
DB, Kent's Honda set-up didn't quite work out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
I ended up buying a Wilwood M/C and slave and going the same route that Rich did. Kent cut the hole in the forward bulkhead floor for the M/C and I installed a small reservoir next to the brake system's reservoir with a hose to the M/C's location ... just need to fab a mount for the new M/C (and possibly one on the trans for the slave). I'll be diving back into this task on a spare trans shortly, so I'll post my progress ... |
DBCooper |
Oct 29 2015, 09:09 PM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
The slave end didn't work? Or the M/C end? I know the M/C (pedal cluster) end works because my son's car and several others use it successfully. In fact in the A&P Mech thread mentioned above it works and he says he's pretty happy with it.
I think Kent was working on a slave kit for a 901 transmission too. I don't think that worked out, and may be what you're thinking about, but this is not that. |
A&P Mech |
Oct 29 2015, 09:49 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 401 Joined: 10-September 13 From: United States Member No.: 16,371 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I did fabricate a hydraulic clutch system for my car. I copied Kent's setup. It works great and it is well worth the effort to create. In fact after rnellums drove my car earlier this week he said that he was going to replace his cable system in his conversation with it.
It truly is a great setup. Ray |
Mike Bellis |
Oct 29 2015, 10:09 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
Strawman has a good setup with the factory pedal cluster.
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Dave_Darling |
Oct 30 2015, 12:43 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,985 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Look into the 87+ 964 pedal cluster. I believe they had similar space constraints to us, and still made the hydro clutch work.
For the slave cylinder, you can use one of the annular ones that replaces the whole throw-out arm and bearing. Or you can use an actual cylinder and link it to the throw-out arm. --DD |
euro911 |
Oct 30 2015, 12:56 AM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,849 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California |
The slave end didn't work? Or the M/C end? I know the M/C (pedal cluster) end works because my son's car and several others use it successfully. In fact in the A&P Mech thread mentioned above it works and he says he's pretty happy with it. Yes, it was on a 901. We weren't getting enough throw with that set up.I think Kent was working on a slave kit for a 901 transmission too. I don't think that worked out, and may be what you're thinking about, but this is not that. I need to fab a bracket for the M/C because the orientation of the threaded studs are @ 0 and 180° vs. 45 and 90° like the Honda M/C had. It will be a 'build it and see' what works best approach. I've seen a few installations where the slave was simply mounted to an extended stud on the side diff cover with a heim joint. Just not sure if that will be strong enough, so it may need a bracket to spread the load (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
andys |
Oct 30 2015, 11:48 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None |
Here is how I solved the clutch master cylinder issue on my 914/LS1 conversion. This solution assumes one will install a center console to cover it all up.
Andys Attached thumbnail(s) |
Mueller |
Oct 30 2015, 12:05 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
Thanks all...
Some slick ideas. Slave cylinder built into transmission so one less thing to worry about there. |
914forme |
Oct 30 2015, 01:57 PM
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Times a wastin', get wrenchin'! Group: Members Posts: 3,896 Joined: 24-July 04 From: Dayton, Ohio Member No.: 2,388 Region Association: None |
914 with 993 lutch and Boxster Trans 3 pages of goodness
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Chris914n6 |
Oct 30 2015, 08:40 PM
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Jackstands are my life. Group: Members Posts: 3,318 Joined: 14-March 03 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 431 Region Association: Southwest Region |
If you can wait til after the holidays, I'll send you a copy of my master cylinder mount.
It's awesome. You will like it. |
stugray |
Oct 31 2015, 10:25 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,824 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
If you are looking for "slick" include one of these in the build:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/tiltonracing.com-10819-1446351916.1.jpg) http://www.jegs.com/p/Tilton/Tilton-Hydrau...755538/10002/-1 |
Mueller |
Nov 1 2015, 12:03 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
If you are looking for "slick" include one of these in the build: http://www.jegs.com/p/Tilton/Tilton-Hydrau...755538/10002/-1 My target audience is 914 owners, not 911 owners with real money...haha |
SirAndy |
Nov 1 2015, 11:55 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,636 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
My target audience is 914 owners, not 911 owners with real money...haha Talk to Paul. He's busy with his new life and trying to sell the 914 but he did put a lot of engineering thoughts into his clutch setup. I've driven his car and the clutch was smooth as butter ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) |
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