Fitting 16X7 Fuchs without body mods???, Can the trailing arms be shaved an inch? |
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Fitting 16X7 Fuchs without body mods???, Can the trailing arms be shaved an inch? |
ovilla |
Mar 14 2005, 02:42 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 84 Joined: 25-February 05 From: Plainfield, IL Member No.: 3,660 |
I'm going for the Rich Johnson Ole Yeller look and have not been successful in getting a hold of Rich. Anyway, does anybody know what needs to be done in order to not have to pull/cut fenders? My paint is still good and would be hard to match, plus I like the look of non-pulled fenders with 16X7's tucked underneath. Also, trailing arm mods might be cheaper. Does anybody know if the trailing arm bolt hole is a solid pipe or is it just fitted at the ends? One thought I had was to shave an inch on the inside (towards the engine side) and add one inch to the other side, thus allowing the arm to stay original but yet slide inwards one inch. I'm also wondering if the side where the hubs attach can be shaved an inch and then just have the caliper mounts moved back an inch too? Not sure if I would need to shave an inch off the CV axles or not. Come on, let's discuss. I'm sure everyone's interested in fitting bigger tires back there without adding flares or pulling fenders. Thanks
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TravisNeff |
Mar 14 2005, 02:46 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Have you contacted Rich to see if he'll do it for you? That'd be the first place I would start.
The control arm is hollow, I don't know if he slimmed down the arm and shortened the hub carrier or what. But I think it would become a pretty big job. If you shorten up the hub carrier, or the inboard side where the CV bolts, you may need shorter rear axles and whatnot. I would definately score an old trailing arm for mock up instead of using yours at first! |
TravisNeff |
Mar 14 2005, 02:47 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Whoops, looksl I should read your whole post - then I would see that you already tried getting a hold of him..
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Aaron Cox |
Mar 14 2005, 02:50 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
the problem with 7's are they stick out one inch farther than 6's (same offset..thus they stick out farther)
so... either he runs big neg camber, or he modded the trailing arm.... maybe he narrowd the arm? maybe he offset the arm at the pivot? |
Mueller |
Mar 14 2005, 02:55 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
Here you, complete with pictures (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
Timo's trailing arm modifications you are welcome (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) oh yea, the tire size is still pretty much limited to 205's...you might find a 215 or 225 that'll work, but odds are not in your favor........ |
eeyore |
Mar 14 2005, 03:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 889 Joined: 8-January 04 From: meridian, id Member No.: 1,533 Region Association: None |
Is there enough room to move the tires inward 1 inch? I don't think so. Some tires have rubbed the inner fender on my car.
The problem is that the inside isn't "just" an inner fender. It is the structure that supports the transmission crossmember. I don't think that can be moved easily. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) |
ovilla |
Mar 14 2005, 03:21 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 84 Joined: 25-February 05 From: Plainfield, IL Member No.: 3,660 |
Thanks Mueller. This is exactly what I was looking for.
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ClayPerrine |
Mar 14 2005, 03:33 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,474 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Just so you know... the trailing arms on Rich's car are highly modified to allow the 16x7s to fit. They are narrowed, and a custom mount is installed for the 944 turbo calipers. I don't know exactly what was done to narrow them.. sorry.
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ovilla |
Mar 14 2005, 03:35 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 84 Joined: 25-February 05 From: Plainfield, IL Member No.: 3,660 |
In the article there's no mention of having to change anything on the inside of the trailing arms - the inside where the wheel bearing slides into. Isn't there something on the back that prevents the bearing from sliding in too deep? I did my 5-lug conv about 5 years ago and don't have a spare trailing arm sitting around. Another point of discussion. Would one then be able to still use the rear stock calipers but with a 15mm washer/spacer to line up with the rotor? Finally, I'm wondering if the 914 CV axles even need to be shortened or if there's enough "play" in there already. Thoughts?
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ovilla |
Mar 14 2005, 03:37 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 84 Joined: 25-February 05 From: Plainfield, IL Member No.: 3,660 |
Anybody have a new email for Rich Johnson? I sent one to his old AOL address but no answer yet.
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Mueller |
Mar 14 2005, 03:38 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
i believe the "tube" can be cut, and everything moved inboard to the dimension you need....of course the brake caliper mounts need to be relocated as well, but it's not a difficult modification...hardest part is making a fixtue to hold everything together while welding....
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Mueller |
Mar 14 2005, 03:41 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
I found the pictures of Timos fixture:
(IMG:http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/914-6/KUVIA/5.jpg) (IMG:http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/914-6/KUVIA/7.jpg) (IMG:http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/914-6/KUVIA/9.jpg) (IMG:http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/914-6/KUVIA/Jig4.jpg) |
ArtechnikA |
Mar 14 2005, 06:57 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
you could always just run 911R 15x7's :-) ...
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jd74914 |
Mar 14 2005, 07:38 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,780 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
I have a pic of a 914 I saw at a show in Mt. Dora, Florida that had a twin-plugged 2.2L (?) with 15X7 911R Fuchs. They fit really nicely with 205's and the fender were not at all streched or rolled.
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Series9 |
Mar 14 2005, 08:12 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
I might be missing something, but 15 and 16 by 7" (et 23.3mm) both fit without mods.
Here's a picture w/15x7 205/50-15s and I have set up a friend's car with 16x7 and 205/45-16s. Attached image(s) |
Mueller |
Mar 14 2005, 08:23 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
I'm betting that those rear fenders are not 100% stock, the lips have been rolled or the rear of the fender has been pulled out ever so slightly (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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Series9 |
Mar 14 2005, 08:32 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Nope. They're 100% stock and I can prove it when I get home. I still have the pieces I cut out in order to weld up the GT flares. Until then, here's the best I can do: Attached image(s) |
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jd74914 |
Mar 14 2005, 08:41 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,780 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
Interesting. I wish my 914 is like yours was then; because I know I don't have room for 15X7 or 16X7's under my fenders. I am not even sure if I can fit 195s under tem without streching them or rooling the lips.
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Mueller |
Mar 14 2005, 08:42 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
i've seen a few 914s that people think the rear fenders are bone stock, the area with the arrow is tapered in towards the center of the car, this is where interferance happens with wider tires....this area can also be pulled out by hand to make more room for wider tires and still appear stock if you don't know how much taper to look for...
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Series9 |
Mar 14 2005, 08:58 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Who do you think you are drawing on my car! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) I've never had to pull that area out on a car that I've owned or set up, but I certainly can't speak to the entire history of each car. I have definitely heard of people having trouble running 205s, but have never experienced that difficulty myself. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that if you can pull the area you described out by hand, would that not be far easier and more preferable to performing a major sectioning of the control arm? Oh, I found a really good picture for this. Mueller, can you tell from this one? Attached image(s) |
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