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| StratPlayer |
 Dec 21 2015, 12:44 PM
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StratPlayer  Group: Members Posts: 3,278 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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For all of you with D-Jet setup, I'm going to purchase this and see what difference it makes, hoping install will not be a problem.
123\PORSCHE-4-R-V-IE http://www.leenapk.nl/123porsche4RVIE.html?language_code=en |
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| scotty b |
Dec 21 2015, 12:46 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
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| StratPlayer |
Dec 21 2015, 12:49 PM
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StratPlayer Group: Members Posts: 3,278 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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For the D-Jet setup is has to be the R-V-IE distributor
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| thieuster |
Dec 21 2015, 01:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 447 Joined: 31-January 15 From: 275 mls NW from Stuttgart. Member No.: 18,384 Region Association: Europe |
The seller is a Dutch company and has been around for a few years already. There's even a brick and mortar shop. No iffy internet sales. You don't have to worry about that.
I have a 123Ignition in my Triumph TR. Installing was a quick job: took less than 15 mins. Most important is the fact that you set the static timing correctly: Be sure you understand the advance/rpm data before you remove your old ignition! A more expensive version of the 123 gives you a USB portal with the possibility to 'learn' the module how to 'behave' at certain rpm. Finally: when you need help (language, shipment to the US) just let me know. After all, I'm Dutch; I can pick up the phone to ask questions etc. I'll try to help you if needed! Menno |
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| luskesq |
Dec 21 2015, 01:48 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 24-October 10 From: Fresno, CA Member No.: 12,303 Region Association: Central California |
It will likely fit but are you sure it has trigger points? I didn't notice that in the description. Kinda necessary for the stock D-jet.
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| thieuster |
Dec 21 2015, 02:46 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 447 Joined: 31-January 15 From: 275 mls NW from Stuttgart. Member No.: 18,384 Region Association: Europe |
QUOTE(luskesq @ Dec 21 2015, 08:48 PM)  It will likely fit but are you sure it has trigger points? I didn't notice that in the description. Kinda necessary for the stock D-jet. Keith I can give 'm a call tomorrow ( nearly 10 PM here at the moment) Menno |
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| r_towle |
Dec 21 2015, 04:09 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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QUOTE(thieuster @ Dec 21 2015, 03:46 PM) QUOTE(luskesq @ Dec 21 2015, 08:48 PM) It will likely fit but are you sure it has trigger points? I didn't notice that in the description. Kinda necessary for the stock D-jet. Keith I can give 'm a call tomorrow ( nearly 10 PM here at the moment) Menno Please do call and ask about djet comparability. It would be nice to have a tunable advance curve |
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| JamesM |
Dec 21 2015, 06:28 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,900 Joined: 6-April 06 From: Kearns, UT Member No.: 5,834 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
QUOTE(luskesq @ Dec 21 2015, 12:48 PM) It will likely fit but are you sure it has trigger points? I didn't notice that in the description. Kinda necessary for the stock D-jet. Keith I was wondering the same thing so I looked through the install instructions http://www.123ignition.nl/downloads/manuals/123PORSCHE4.pdf There are two extra wires "yellow" and "White" that get attached to pins 1 and 3 on the "Bosch connector" on d-jet models, so it looks very likely that they made an electronic replacement for the injection points. If this is what it looks to be then this is beyond awesome given the injection points are the one thing we haven't had a source for. Its digital and has adjustable timing curve to boot. This is seriously exciting. |
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| Millerwelds |
Dec 21 2015, 06:34 PM
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Pleepleus Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 24-June 08 From: Grass Valley, CA Member No.: 9,206 Region Association: Northern California |
I previously posted this in another forum. It does have a djet version that has some kind of electrical /light/pick up to trigger the points.
Should be a vast improvement over the 40 year old stock dizzy with wobbly shaft and worn trigger points. Even compared to magnetic point options. QUOTE(Millerwelds @ Nov 5 2015, 04:34 PM) Someone help me out here. Looks like stock 2.0 74ish djet setup. Old distributor he shows has trigger points for fuel injection. Someone tell me how the new one is triggering the fuel injectors? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw1FigYoozE Can't wait to hear how much you love it! I need an excuse to buy one myself. |
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| StratPlayer |
Dec 21 2015, 07:32 PM
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StratPlayer Group: Members Posts: 3,278 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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| JeffBowlsby |
Dec 21 2015, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(JamesM @ Dec 21 2015, 04:28 PM) There are two extra wires "yellow" and "White" that get attached to pins 1 and 3 on the "Bosch connector" on d-jet models, so it looks very likely that they made an electronic replacement for the injection points. If this is what it looks to be then this is beyond awesome given the injection points are the one thing we haven't had a source for. Except the trigger points require 3 wires - a common and 2 poles. Not sure how this works with only two trigger point wires, and then a disconnect connector to the harness is needed. |
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| Mueller |
Dec 21 2015, 08:19 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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Electronic triggering of the injectors has been done before....I installed a setup in a Mallory like 10 years ago, I didn't get much interest at all and didn't it pursue any further than the setup in my car.
With the popularity of EDIS and MS gaining traction it seemed like a dead end project at the time. |
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| Old Yella |
Dec 21 2015, 09:04 PM
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Old Yella Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 2-July 13 From: Canberra Australia Member No.: 16,086 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Precious, I wants one.
Now they just need to do a TPS |
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| DRPHIL914 |
Dec 21 2015, 11:09 PM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,766 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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This is very cool, can't wait to hear back about ow it works for you.
Maybe next we'll have someone able to engineer a better MPS!! Until then I'll rebuild a couple. |
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| thieuster |
Dec 22 2015, 02:36 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 447 Joined: 31-January 15 From: 275 mls NW from Stuttgart. Member No.: 18,384 Region Association: Europe |
First thing this morning, I contacted the owner of the LeenAPK website. Leen (Leonard in English) was very informative.
First: he ships to the USA. Shipping costs are 28 euro. You can order the item from his webshop. Second: you need the 'E' version of the dizzy - as explained and shown in the YT video. Third: this E version is not available as a tuneable dizzy. So, not USB on this one. Reason: space inside. The trigger mechanism (magnetic with small coils according to Leonard) takes up too much space for an interenal USB portal. I have a 123 on my Triumph and I am a happy customer. Car starts on the button and idles very smoothly. The main feature of the 123 is the fact that this dizzy works perfectly at high revs. A Triumphs has a low-revving engine a 914's engine however will benefit more from the high revving feature. Check this: 123 on YT If you need additional info, just PM me! Menno |
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| Jacob |
Dec 22 2015, 06:49 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 131 Joined: 12-February 08 From: Mansfield, Oh Member No.: 8,705 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
They have US distributors:
http://www.123ignition.nl/buy.php USA 123Ignitionusa.com tel: 440-668-8164 sales@123ignitionusa.com www.123ignitionUSA.com Italian Auto Parts, Inc 5579-B Chamblee Dunwoody Rd Ste 322 GA 30338 Atlanta tel: +1 678-637-5103 fax: +1 914-829-9018 info@mrfiat.com www.mrfiat.com |
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| thieuster |
Dec 22 2015, 09:40 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 447 Joined: 31-January 15 From: 275 mls NW from Stuttgart. Member No.: 18,384 Region Association: Europe |
Given the current Dollar vs Euro exchange rate, it might be a good idea to buy it in Europe...
Menno |
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| JamesM |
Dec 22 2015, 11:48 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,900 Joined: 6-April 06 From: Kearns, UT Member No.: 5,834 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Dec 21 2015, 06:58 PM) QUOTE(JamesM @ Dec 21 2015, 04:28 PM) There are two extra wires "yellow" and "White" that get attached to pins 1 and 3 on the "Bosch connector" on d-jet models, so it looks very likely that they made an electronic replacement for the injection points. If this is what it looks to be then this is beyond awesome given the injection points are the one thing we haven't had a source for. Except the trigger points require 3 wires - a common and 2 poles. Not sure how this works with only two trigger point wires, and then a disconnect connector to the harness is needed. Its been a while since I dissected d-jet, but the common is most likely +voltage which this distributor already has a source for. I dont actually know that it is what they are doing here, but i could see it working. |
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| nordfisch |
Dec 26 2015, 02:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 11-December 15 From: Germany Member No.: 19,451 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(JamesM @ Dec 23 2015, 06:48 AM) QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Dec 21 2015, 06:58 PM) QUOTE(JamesM @ Dec 21 2015, 04:28 PM) There are two extra wires "yellow" and "White" that get attached to pins 1 and 3 on the "Bosch connector" on d-jet models, so it looks very likely that they made an electronic replacement for the injection points. If this is what it looks to be then this is beyond awesome given the injection points are the one thing we haven't had a source for. Except the trigger points require 3 wires - a common and 2 poles. Not sure how this works with only two trigger point wires, and then a disconnect connector to the harness is needed. Its been a while since I dissected d-jet, but the common is most likely +voltage which this distributor already has a source for. I dont actually know that it is what they are doing here, but i could see it working. Hi, the lead in the middle is ground (earth). Bosch did this because they tried to isolate all the grounds of the system from the 'engine ground'. Reason for this was: When the 'motor-ground-lead' was broken or in incorrect order all the electric stream would flow through the D-Jet-components and destroy them especially when starting. The 'trigger'-connectors at the 123 don't fit very well into the plug of the wiring harness, as we discussed in Germany before (sorry, in German language): https://oldtimer.tips/de/forum2/ignition/27...v-kontakte#2296 One thing to add: You must take care of fitting the contacts to the correct leads. When you interchange them, the engine will run quite normal, indeed - but injection is at wrong timing, suboptimal setup... Regards Norbert |
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| StratPlayer |
Dec 26 2015, 09:13 PM
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StratPlayer Group: Members Posts: 3,278 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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You must take care of fitting the contacts to the correct leads. When you interchange them, the engine will run quite normal, indeed - but injection is at wrong timing, suboptimal setup...
Thanks for that info... |
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